Guest guest Posted September 10, 1999 Report Share Posted September 10, 1999 An imagination After a rainfall, there is formed a small stagnant pool of water. I am a fish, who happened to get stuck in that stagnant pool of worldly life!. I am waiting for Thakur to step onto that pool, at least by mistake!. If He keeps His Lotus Feet there, I will swim round and round His Lotus Feet, and cry piteously, so that He may catch me by His Divine Hands and throw me into the Ocean of God! Can 'lust' and 'greed' taint me, who am always waiting for Him? EDTipple <edtipple Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna > Friday, September 10, 1999 10:35 AM [ramakrishna] 100 Verses >EDTipple <edtipple > >From " 100 Verses on Renunciation " by Bhartrihari: > >Verse #90: > >Can this universe, which is but a mere reflection, engender greed in >wise men? The ocean surely does not become agitated by the movement >of a little fish. > >THAT is the perspective from which to view all this individual, >community and universal nonsense going on all around us! >Edith > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Announcing the ONElist Hawaiian Sweepstakes! >Enter to win a trip for two to Hawaii! ><a href= " http://clickme./ad/hawaii3 " >Click Here</a> > >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 This is our last day of " 100 Verses on Renunciation " by Bhartrihari, his impassioned goodbye. His universal supplication is very reminiscent of Native American attitude toward God. Verse #100 O Earth, my mother! O wind, my father! O fire, my friend! O Water, my good relative! O Sky, my brother! here is my last salutation to you with clasped hands. Having cast away infatuation with its wonderful power by means of an amplitude of pure knowledge, resplendent with merits developed through my association with you all, I now merge in the Supreme Brahman. Swami Madhavananda comments: " The terms of familiarity and endearment used of the five elements are appropriate in view of the final point of blissful parting to which the Yogi has been carried through those subtle tattvas or essences of the five elements which characterize intermediate stages of Yogic practice. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 EDTipple wrote: <<< Can this universe, which is but a mere reflection, engender greed in wise men? The ocean surely does not become agitated by the movement of a little fish. >>> * In a somewhat different perspective, I would add: " There is, as it were, an infinite ocean behind, and you and I are so many waves, coming out of that infinite ocean; and each one of us is trying his best to manifest that infinite outside. " Swami Vivekananda, C. W., Vol. 1, p. 388. In course of human spiritual history many spiritual scientists are produced. The occasional giant scientist is the 'ocean' of knowledge. A few of his/her companions and followers are like 'salt dolls' originating from the same source of 'oceanic material'. These 'dolls' are not of minor significance, as only these are fit to fathom the depths of the 'ocean', and are instrumental in making the masses aware of the strength and depth of the same. In venturing to fathom the depth and secrets of the 'ocean' these 'dolls' apparently dissolve out in its huge waters. But in fact they become one with the ocean losing their 'doll' identity. The beauty and grace of the 'ocean' is such that it throws these 'dolls' up again in the form of 'waves'. The common man understands the reality of the 'ocean' through these 'waves'. It is beyond the capacity of everyone to know the vastness of the ocean otherwise. * DR C S S ==================================== E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 This verse is once again a grand one (as all others were)! But, here, I am reminded of an illustrative situation in our daily lives. Suppose, a man has a daughter to be married. He looks for a suitable bridegroom, borrows money and makes 100% effort to get her marrried off in a 'pompous' fashion. But, at the time the marriage takes place, he sheds copious tears! This is so, despite the fact that the whole marriage, is only a culmination of his own untiring efforts! So, it is with the 'realisation of one's own Self'! The 'ego' begins to realise that it is only a 'tool' in the Hands of the 'Divine Higher Power'. Then, it performs the 'Saadhanaa' to attain the 'Self'. Since the 'Self' is ever-present, it is only the 'extinction' of the tiny little 'ego', which was the sole obstruction to the realisation of the eternal 'presence' of the Self, that constitutes the 'Realisation' of the Self. But, having made the 'frantic' and 'untiring' effort to reach the 'Self', it sheds copious tears to 'extinguish' itself in the 'Flame' of the Self. But, 'Self' and 'Grace' being synonymous, the 'Self' eats up the 'ego' which is turned towards its own source, the Supreme Self. EDTipple <edtipple Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna > Saturday, September 11, 1999 8:21 AM [ramakrishna] 100 Verses >EDTipple <edtipple > >This is our last day of " 100 Verses on Renunciation " by Bhartrihari, >his impassioned goodbye. His universal supplication is very >reminiscent of Native American attitude toward God. > >Verse #100 > >O Earth, my mother! O wind, my father! O fire, my friend! O Water, my >good relative! O Sky, my brother! here is my last salutation to you >with clasped hands. Having cast away infatuation with its wonderful >power by means of an amplitude of pure knowledge, resplendent with >merits developed through my association with you all, I now merge in >the Supreme Brahman. > >Swami Madhavananda comments: " The terms of familiarity and endearment >used of the five elements are appropriate in view of the final point >of blissful parting to which the Yogi has been carried through those >subtle tattvas or essences of the five elements which characterize >intermediate stages of Yogic practice. " > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Show your ONElist SPIRIT! ><a href= " http://clickme./ad/tshirt2 " >Click Here</a> >With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. > >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 YES ; THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS NONSENSE!!! C S S ================ Anurag Goel wrote: > Is there any thing like universal nonsense ? -- ==================================== E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 1999 Report Share Posted September 11, 1999 First there is SENSE then NONSENSE and then again SENSE. On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Dr C S Shah wrote: > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > YES ; THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS NONSENSE!!! > C S S > ================ > Anurag Goel wrote: > > Is there any thing like universal nonsense ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 Such intimate address also reminds me of St. Francis's " Brother Sun, Sister Moon " and so on. And of course, " Brother Ass " , which is how, in his characteristic humor, he referred to his body! :-) EDTipple wrote: > EDTipple <edtipple > > This is our last day of " 100 Verses on Renunciation " by Bhartrihari, > his impassioned goodbye. His universal supplication is very > reminiscent of Native American attitude toward God. > > Verse #100 > > O Earth, my mother! O wind, my father! O fire, my friend! O Water, my > good relative! O Sky, my brother! here is my last salutation to you > with clasped hands. Having cast away infatuation with its wonderful > power by means of an amplitude of pure knowledge, resplendent with > merits developed through my association with you all, I now merge in > the Supreme Brahman. > > Swami Madhavananda comments: " The terms of familiarity and endearment > used of the five elements are appropriate in view of the final point > of blissful parting to which the Yogi has been carried through those > subtle tattvas or essences of the five elements which characterize > intermediate stages of Yogic practice. " > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Show your ONElist SPIRIT! > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/tshirt2 " >Click Here</a> > With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 That reminds me that my teacher used to chide me when I had to find " meaning " in everything. :-) Dr C S Shah wrote: > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > YES ; THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS NONSENSE!!! > C S S > ================ > Anurag Goel wrote: > > Is there any thing like universal nonsense ? > > -- > ==================================== > E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html > http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html > ==================================== > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Show your ONElist SPIRIT! > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/tshirt2 " >Click Here</a> > With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeat's (the poet's) " ascending gyres " -- we start at 'A', then circle around to 'B', all the while ascending (growing in understanding) -- the come round to 'A' again, but from a 'higher' perspective! Or the Zen saying - there were mountains, then they became not mountains, then they were mountains again!!! Namaste Anurag, Karen Anurag Goel wrote: > Anurag Goel <anurag > > First there is SENSE then NONSENSE and then again SENSE. > > On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Dr C S Shah wrote: > > > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > > > YES ; THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS NONSENSE!!! > > C S S > > ================ > > Anurag Goel wrote: > > > Is there any thing like universal nonsense ? > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to online communities. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 At 09:54 12/09/99 -0600, you wrote: >Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram >Or the Zen saying - there were mountains, then they became not mountains, >then they were mountains again!!! But the Zen Monks and Buddhists i.g. don't beleive in God ........ For the Buddhists, Sûnyata isn't God; everything and all beeings are vacuity, mind also, and they denie the God's projection up the world. More, they don't believe on ATMAN. That is a serious problem... For the Buddhists, the Gods are in the samsara.. What are you thinking about that? Be on Peace! Om Shanti! Narendranath Brussels - Belgium - ============================================================================ =============== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 1999 Report Share Posted September 12, 1999 Dear Shankar, I think the crux of your response was in the phrase, " But 'Self' and 'Grace' being synonymous... " As we struggle with spiritual practices, it is common to think that just so much effort more will achieve our goal. Swami Prabhavananda once said that no amount of effort would achieve it: only Grace would do so. Youo have given a very nice non-devotional interpretation. Thanks. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 1999 Report Share Posted September 13, 1999 Progress is not only in circles but spiral circles!!! c ss ============================================ Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs wrote: > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Yeat's (the poet's) " ascending gyres " -- we start at 'A', then circle around > to 'B', > all the while ascending (growing in understanding) -- the come round to 'A' > again, > but from a 'higher' perspective! > > Or the Zen saying - there were mountains, then they became not mountains, > then they were mountains again!!! > > Namaste Anurag, > Karen > > Anurag Goel wrote: > > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > First there is SENSE then NONSENSE and then again SENSE. > > > > On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Dr C S Shah wrote: > > > > > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > > > > > YES ; THE UNIVERSE ITSELF IS NONSENSE!!! > > > C S S > > > ================ > > > Anurag Goel wrote: > > > > Is there any thing like universal nonsense ? > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > ONElist: your connection to online communities. > > > > ------ > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Announcing the ONElist Hawaiian Sweepstakes! > Enter to win a trip for two to Hawaii! > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/hawaii3 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ -- ==================================== E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 1999 Report Share Posted September 13, 1999 Dear Claude, If someone could define exactly what is meant by 'God' and 'Sunyata' then perhaps I could respond better! As it stands, though, I shall have to solve an equation with undefined variables! :-) I am not a scholar, but a contemplative, so I don't know how to analyze the differences between traditions. I only know when something seems to strike the same 'chord' in me... and that is all i know! I believe in what strikes that chord -- but only for myself, as others have different vibrational characteristics that cause other things to sound their 'chords'. Sometimes I call it God, but other times there is no word or name... I have always had much respect for Buddha and the Zen tradition and once considered a Buddhist Studies degree. (didn't happen though!) Namaste Claude, Karen Claude Laurent wrote: > Claude Laurent <claude.laurent > > At 09:54 12/09/99 -0600, you wrote: > >Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > >Or the Zen saying - there were mountains, then they became not mountains, > >then they were mountains again!!! > > But the Zen Monks and Buddhists i.g. don't beleive in God ........ > > For the Buddhists, Sûnyata isn't God; everything and all beeings are > vacuity, mind also, and they denie the God's projection up the world. > More, they don't believe on ATMAN. That is a serious problem... > For the Buddhists, the Gods are in the samsara.. > > What are you thinking about that? > > Be on Peace! > > Om Shanti! > > Narendranath > > Brussels - Belgium - > > ============================================================================ > =============== > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 1999 Report Share Posted September 13, 1999 Namste Karen n Dr. Shah, Remember some words like Laughing Buddhaa in the market place. Ha ha ha Dr. Shah very true. As my Pujya Gurudev once said that we start at meru of a Malaa n again reach the meru. Same happens after getting n assimilating 108 Dikshaas. On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Dr C S Shah wrote: > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > Progress is not only in circles but spiral circles!!! > c ss > ============================================ > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs wrote: > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > > > YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Yeat's (the poet's) " ascending gyres " -- we start at 'A', then circle around > > to 'B', > > all the while ascending (growing in understanding) -- the come round to 'A' > > again, > > but from a 'higher' perspective! > > > > Or the Zen saying - there were mountains, then they became not mountains, > > then they were mountains again!!! > > > > Namaste Anurag, > > Karen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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