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These doubts always crop up in my mind, ie ,

 

1. In Vedantha Shankara, Ramanuja amd Madvacharya have developed what totality

is on their own interpretations. Any intellectual debate on these commentaries

require corroborations from actual personal experience!

 

But this personal experience is based on our aquiring information through

senses, and senses are itself faulty. So I feel to aquire information about the

spiritual world is to accept an authority. And if I wan't accept an authority

then I must be doing it to find the Absolute Truth. Therefore if several people

say different things about Absolute Truth then then cannot all be right.. So,

to say that it does not matter who is right and who is wrong is to indicate

a lack of interest in actually understanding God

 

So for a beginner what is the authority to be taken.

 

2. And it is no doubt that Shankara, Ramanuja, MadvaCharya, Buddha, Jesus, and

many others have realised the Absolute Truth. then how can they say the path

fallowed by others is not correct.

 

I feel it is only Ramakrishna and Swamiji have said that all the path leads to

Absolute Truth, but it always the fact that Shankara resisted from Buddhism and

Dvaithists said with Advaitha we can never realise the Absolute Truth

 

May the learned members of this list clarify my doubt

 

Thanks in Advance

Prashanth

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> 1. In Vedantha Shankara, Ramanuja amd Madvacharya have developed what

totality

> is on their own interpretations. Any intellectual debate on these

commentaries

> require corroborations from actual personal experience!

>

> But this personal experience is based on our aquiring information through

> senses, and senses are itself faulty. So I feel to aquire information about

the

> spiritual world is to accept an authority. And if I wan't accept an authority

> then I must be doing it to find the Absolute Truth. Therefore if several

people

> say different things about Absolute Truth then then cannot all be right.. So,

> to say that it does not matter who is right and who is wrong is to indicate

> a lack of interest in actually understanding God

>

> So for a beginner what is the authority to be taken.

 

 

 

 

Senses r not faulty rather they have limitations. May be that we r not

able to understand the similarities in wat we percept as different.

 

Something which is beyond senses can we explain it completely through

limited domain of senses n words. We can only get close to explaining wat

Lord can be.

 

 

 

 

>

> 2. And it is no doubt that Shankara, Ramanuja, MadvaCharya, Buddha, Jesus,

and

> many others have realised the Absolute Truth. then how can they say the path

> fallowed by others is not correct.

 

>

> I feel it is only Ramakrishna and Swamiji have said that all the path leads

to

> Absolute Truth, but it always the fact that Shankara resisted from Buddhism

and

> Dvaithists said with Advaitha we can never realise the Absolute Truth

>

 

 

Prasanth some time back an article was posted on one list back here. The

article was by " Swami Chinmayananda " . There i read something like that

Sankaracharya took such a n oath for the followers of Buddha were

distorting his teachings n there was utter chaos. So it was necessary to

restablish the truth. That's wat shankara did. I guess Shankaracharya was

not against Buddha but some his followers who were preaching ignorance.

 

I think these people did wat the society at there time demanded. I

think they cleared wat was faulty at that time. i don't think they have

commented that other paths r bad. It seems its the people who take for

gauranteed that if this Saint is asking to follow this path then all

other paths r wrong.

 

>

> Thanks in Advance

> Prashanth

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Namaste Prashant-ji

 

> Prashant G <gprasha

>

> These doubts always crop up in my mind, ie ,

>

> 1. In Vedantha Shankara, Ramanuja amd Madvacharya have developed what

> totality

> is on their own interpretations. Any intellectual debate on these

> commentaries

> require corroborations from actual personal experience!

>

> But this personal experience is based on our aquiring information through

>

> senses, and senses are itself faulty. So I feel to aquire information

> about the

> spiritual world is to accept an authority. And if I wan't accept an

> authority

> then I must be doing it to find the Absolute Truth. Therefore if several

> people

> say different things about Absolute Truth then then cannot all be right..

> So,

> to say that it does not matter who is right and who is wrong is to

> indicate

> a lack of interest in actually understanding God

>

> So for a beginner what is the authority to be taken.

>

Kathi: The proof of truth is confirmed by three things. They are

sruti (scriptures), yukti (logic or reasoning) and finally anubhava

(experience). Firstly, one has to study the scriptures (sruti) to see what

it says. And then to verify its claims thru reasoning (yukti). After

completing the first two processes, then the sadhaka should contemplate on

the truth to realize it (anubhava). When all the three process lead you to

the One, then it is the truth. I shall not not elaborate any further as I

will be posting an extract from the Introduction to Atma Bodha by Swami

Nikhilananda where he tackles the this 'Proof of Truth'. Expect it soon.

 

> 2. And it is no doubt that Shankara, Ramanuja, MadvaCharya, Buddha, Jesus,

> and

> many others have realised the Absolute Truth. then how can they say the

> path

> fallowed by others is not correct.

>

> I feel it is only Ramakrishna and Swamiji have said that all the path

> leads to

> Absolute Truth, but it always the fact that Shankara resisted from

> Buddhism and

> Dvaithists said with Advaitha we can never realise the Absolute Truth

>

Kathi: Shankara was against Buddhism not because it didn't lead one

to the truth. Swamiji has said that during the time of Shankara, Buddhism

had degenerated to its lowest form and lost the original spirit of Lord

Buddha's teachings. Another reason for Shankara to be against it, was

because Buddhism was a non-vedic religion, in the sense that Buddha rejected

the rituals expounded by the Vedas. But thru our own logic and study of the

life and works of Thakur and Swamiji we too can experience the truth for

ourselves or at least logically see the goals to be the same.

 

The verbal battle between Dvaitins and Advaitins will go on forever.

But I personally like the teachings of Sri Ramakrishna because of his famous

decalaration that none will fail to realize the lord in our hearts. Dvaita,

Vishishta-Advaita and Advaita are all stages in a person's spiritual

evolution.

 

Om Shanti

Kathi

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I believe it was either Swamiji or Maharaj (Swami Brahmananda) who said

something to the effect that if Krishna, Buddha, Christ, Ramakrishna met

togeteher, they would be the best of friends and have no arguments --

but their followers fight like cats and dogs.edtipple

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:) Edith great!

 

 

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, EDTipple wrote:

 

> EDTipple <edtipple

>

> I believe it was either Swamiji or Maharaj (Swami Brahmananda) who said

> something to the effect that if Krishna, Buddha, Christ, Ramakrishna met

> togeteher, they would be the best of friends and have no arguments --

> but their followers fight like cats and dogs.edtipple

>

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Wonderful explanation, Mr.

Kathirasan!

 

Kind regards

 

 

K Kathirasan ADM NCS

<kathirasan

Ramakrishna

<Ramakrishna >

Wednesday, September 22,

1999 10:02 AM

RE: [ramakrishna]

Absolute Truth

 

 

K Kathirasan ADM NCS

<kathirasan

 

Namaste Prashant-ji

 

> Prashant G

<gprasha

>

> These doubts always crop up

in my mind, ie ,

>

> 1. In Vedantha Shankara,

Ramanuja amd Madvacharya have

developed what

> totality

> is on their own

interpretations. Any

intellectual debate on these

> commentaries

> require corroborations from

actual personal experience!

>

> But this personal

experience is based on our

aquiring information through

>

> senses, and senses are

itself faulty. So I feel to

aquire information

> about the

> spiritual world is to accept

an authority. And if I wan't

accept an

> authority

> then I must be doing it to

find the Absolute Truth.

Therefore if several

> people

> say different things about

Absolute Truth then then

cannot all be right..

> So,

> to say that it does not

matter who is right and who is

wrong is to

> indicate

> a lack of interest in

actually understanding God

>

> So for a beginner what is

the authority to be taken.

>

Kathi: The proof of truth is

confirmed by three things.

They are

sruti (scriptures), yukti

(logic or reasoning) and

finally anubhava

(experience). Firstly, one

has to study the scriptures

(sruti) to see what

it says. And then to verify

its claims thru reasoning

(yukti). After

completing the first two

processes, then the sadhaka

should contemplate on

the truth to realize it

(anubhava). When all the

three process lead you to

the One, then it is the truth.

I shall not not elaborate any

further as I

will be posting an extract

from the Introduction to Atma

Bodha by Swami

Nikhilananda where he tackles

the this 'Proof of Truth'.

Expect it soon.

 

> 2. And it is no doubt that

Shankara, Ramanuja,

MadvaCharya, Buddha, Jesus,

> and

> many others have realised

the Absolute Truth. then how

can they say the

> path

> fallowed by others is not

correct.

>

> I feel it is only

Ramakrishna and Swamiji have

said that all the path

> leads to

> Absolute Truth, but it

always the fact that Shankara

resisted from

> Buddhism and

> Dvaithists said with

Advaitha we can never realise

the Absolute Truth

>

Kathi: Shankara was against

Buddhism not because it didn't

lead one

to the truth. Swamiji has

said that during the time of

Shankara, Buddhism

had degenerated to its lowest

form and lost the original

spirit of Lord

Buddha's teachings. Another

reason for Shankara to be

against it, was

because Buddhism was a

non-vedic religion, in the

sense that Buddha rejected

the rituals expounded by the

Vedas. But thru our own logic

and study of the

life and works of Thakur and

Swamiji we too can experience

the truth for

ourselves or at least

logically see the goals to be

the same.

 

The verbal battle between

Dvaitins and Advaitins will go

on forever.

But I personally like the

teachings of Sri Ramakrishna

because of his famous

decalaration that none will

fail to realize the lord in

our hearts. Dvaita,

Vishishta-Advaita and Advaita

are all stages in a person's

spiritual

evolution.

 

Om Shanti

Kathi

 

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