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Some time ago I was discussing Gnosticism with

some Hindu friends of mine. They basically

said that Naustika in their understanding

meant an " atheist. " I later came across

another definition for Naustika as one who

does not accept the authority of the Vedas,

such as a Buddhist or Jain... Can someone

help me out here?

 

- Art Gregory

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Austi in Sanskrit means " Is " which affirms the existence of the Almighty.

Nausti (Na: No, Austi: Is) means " Is Not " denying the existence of God.

Naustika, therefore, should mean 'the non-believer in existence of God'.

Since every religion presupposes and establishes the existence of God,

Gnosticism cannot be with respect to a specific religion just because the

term has been coined by Hindus.

 

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<lgregory

<Ramakrishna >

Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:54 PM

[ramakrishna] The meaning of the word " Naustika "

 

 

> lgregory

>

> Some time ago I was discussing Gnosticism with

> some Hindu friends of mine. They basically

> said that Naustika in their understanding

> meant an " atheist. " I later came across

> another definition for Naustika as one who

> does not accept the authority of the Vedas,

> such as a Buddhist or Jain... Can someone

> help me out here?

>

> - Art Gregory

>

> > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

>

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In a message dated 99-09-29 13:17:03 EDT, ctanmoy.ct writes:

 

<<

Austi in Sanskrit means " Is " which affirms the existence of the Almighty.

Nausti (Na: No, Austi: Is) means " Is Not " denying the existence of God.

Naustika, therefore, should mean 'the non-believer in existence of God'.

Since every religion presupposes and establishes the existence of God,

Gnosticism cannot be with respect to a specific religion just because the

term has been coined by Hindus. >>

 

It has always been my understanding that Gnostics neither believed nor

disbelieved. They maintain that the existance or non-existance of a " god "

cannot be proven. So, would it be safe to say they are skeptics? (haha) Is

this true or not?

 

I recall a gnostic writing that I have called " The Thunder Perfect Mind " .

When one reads it, it seems somewhat Vedantic.

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I guess buddhists n jains being called as naastik must come during the

time when buddhism was being uprooted. N i guess there is nothin like

authority. Truth simply is truth. I guess the one who calls buddhists and

jains as naastik for they don't give in to the authority of vedas and the

one who denies the greatness of vedas both have to learn and understand

each other.

 

 

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Tanmoy Chakraborty wrote:

 

> " Tanmoy Chakraborty " <ctanmoy.ct

>

> Austi in Sanskrit means " Is " which affirms the existence of the Almighty.

> Nausti (Na: No, Austi: Is) means " Is Not " denying the existence of God.

> Naustika, therefore, should mean 'the non-believer in existence of God'.

> Since every religion presupposes and establishes the existence of God,

> Gnosticism cannot be with respect to a specific religion just because the

> term has been coined by Hindus.

>

> -

> <lgregory

> <Ramakrishna >

> Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:54 PM

> [ramakrishna] The meaning of the word " Naustika "

>

>

> > lgregory

> >

> > Some time ago I was discussing Gnosticism with

> > some Hindu friends of mine. They basically

> > said that Naustika in their understanding

> > meant an " atheist. " I later came across

> > another definition for Naustika as one who

> > does not accept the authority of the Vedas,

> > such as a Buddhist or Jain... Can someone

> > help me out here?

> >

> > - Art Gregory

> >

> > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> > Vivekananda Centre London

> > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

> >

>

> > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

>

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Thank you Sri Tanmoy for your kind reply to my question regarding

Naustiks... As being " atheists " and disbelievers in God...I suppose I must

enlist myself at times in their (Jaina and Buddhist) number...at other

times not (being Vedantist)... So I am both a believer and not...in Saguna

and Nirguna depending on the state.

 

- Art Gregory

 

 

 

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>FREESUE

>

>In a message dated 99-09-29 13:17:03 EDT, ctanmoy.ct writes:

>

><<

> Austi in Sanskrit means " Is " which affirms the existence of the Almighty.

> Nausti (Na: No, Austi: Is) means " Is Not " denying the existence of God.

> Naustika, therefore, should mean 'the non-believer in existence of God'.

> Since every religion presupposes and establishes the existence of God,

> Gnosticism cannot be with respect to a specific religion just because the

> term has been coined by Hindus. >>

>

>It has always been my understanding that Gnostics neither believed nor

>disbelieved. They maintain that the existance or non-existance of a " god "

>cannot be proven. So, would it be safe to say they are skeptics? (haha) Is

>this true or not?

>

>I recall a gnostic writing that I have called " The Thunder Perfect Mind " .

>When one reads it, it seems somewhat Vedantic.

 

This is an interesting discussion as I use The Thunder the Perfect Mind

regularly on my list ... its purpose being to contemplate and free the mind

of ratiocinations... The ancient Gnostics were also the inheritors of

pythagorean and neoplatonic ideas along with some Iranian influence.. Since

the discovery of the NAg HAmmadi scrolls a whole new world of gnostic

literature has opened up. There is evidence in some of them of more than a

passing familiarity with India. The odd thing is that when Indians here the

term gnostic they think atheist at once... the words of course have

different etymology as we are learning... gnostic is closer to jnana or

knowing than to atheism. Gnostics believed that certain special knowledge

was available through initiation and training to achieve salvation. Much

like the jnanis.

 

- Art Gregory

 

 

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Literally Naustika (Gnostic) means " non-believer in the existence of God " .

But, in reality a man may convert from a believer to a non-believer or

vice-versa or may even take the middle path of skepticism depending on his

experiences with life. This is all the result of imaging God as an

individual entity and failing to perceive the holistic picture.

 

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<FREESUE

<Ramakrishna >

Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:32 AM

Re: [ramakrishna] The meaning of the word " Naustika "

 

 

> FREESUE

>

> In a message dated 99-09-29 13:17:03 EDT, ctanmoy.ct writes:

>

> <<

> Austi in Sanskrit means " Is " which affirms the existence of the Almighty.

> Nausti (Na: No, Austi: Is) means " Is Not " denying the existence of God.

> Naustika, therefore, should mean 'the non-believer in existence of God'.

> Since every religion presupposes and establishes the existence of God,

> Gnosticism cannot be with respect to a specific religion just because the

> term has been coined by Hindus. >>

>

> It has always been my understanding that Gnostics neither believed nor

> disbelieved. They maintain that the existance or non-existance of a " god "

> cannot be proven. So, would it be safe to say they are skeptics? (haha)

Is

> this true or not?

>

> I recall a gnostic writing that I have called " The Thunder Perfect Mind " .

> When one reads it, it seems somewhat Vedantic.

>

> > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

>

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