photon

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay

 

I did not receive the original mail on photons (your reply to which is

below) that Anurag sent. Also, for about 2 weeks now, the volume of mails

seems to slightly smaller. Am I missing something?

 

Swami

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>Anurag Goel <anurag

>Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda

>08 October 1999 21:13

>photon.

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> >Jay today i attended one lecture on Physics,Universe and conciousness.

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> >i have no sound knowledge of physics . So thing smay might sound vague.

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> >There i came to know that space which we consider as empty consists of

> >large no. of sub atomic particles.

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>Response:-

>That is not exactly true - Space alone is not possible anymore. General

>Relativity will say we live in a four dimensional world made of Space+Time

>and the curvature within this four dimensions produces the feeling that

>there is force of attraction between bodies called gravitation. So

>gravitational force can be reduced to sheer geometry.

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>Then we have the idea of sub atomic particles - here the other most

>interesting theory of modern physics takes over. This theory is called

>quantum mechanics. It is the most wonderful and exciting thing in Physics

>today. This is not the right place to discuss the theory but one of the

>conclusions of this theory is:-

>The smaller the unit of space~time you take and examine the greater is the

>force ~ energy you encounter. So you keep reducing the space/time unit --

>go

>to smaller and smaller scale and the fun begins. You encounter higher and

>higher energies. This just pops out of the blue. Try and get to say an

>almost point like particle and we come close to holding infinity in our

>hands. This is not just theory - it is a matter of experimental

>observations. Where does this infinite power hide? How can it do so in such

>small infinitesimal confines of space/time?

>

>(The vedic verse greater than the greatest and yet smaller than the

>smallest comes to mind)

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>Remember what Swami Vivekananda had said,

> " The distinction we make in what we call external (the outside world of

>matter) and what we call internal is arbitrary. Exactly where does external

>stop and internal begin? Where is the demarcation line? " What science is

>coming face to face is the same vibrant Reality the rishis have

>experienced.

>There are no two separate realities one called external (which science can

>handle) and the other called internal(which is referred to as spiritual).

>This is the reason why I have tremendous love for Physics - I feel that

>this

>is the way for the next millennium - the interest in spirituality will come

>about via Physics!

>

>jay

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>Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

>Vivekananda Centre London

>http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

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[Guest guest]

Dear Raman,

 

Actuallu i sent the e-mail to jay. As it seemed it could be

of public interest do jay posted it to list. Below is the

e-mail abt " photon " which i sent to jay.

 

 

 

Jay today i attended one lecture on Physics,Universe and conciousness.

 

i have no sound knowledge of physics . So thing smay might sound vague.

 

There i came to know that space which we consider as empty consists of

large no. of sub atomic particles. And that when a proton is being

attracted by an electron then it's a photon that is being exchanged.

 

But i guess there has to be a connection btw this proton n electron

to exchange an electron. So some connection has to be there btw two even

if photon exchange is taking place. Or is it that proton n electron r

there in attraction to each other but the relative movement btw them will

cause the exchange of forces btw them as photons.

 

 

And that space is nothin but a substratum of such sub atomic particles.

 

i was thinking that we r still tied to matter. Trying to figure out matter

in one or the other form. Matter sounds to be as vague a concept as

light wave.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Beyond this particle-wave duality is " Absolute Consciousness " , which in

fact is erroneously perceived as these illusory phenomena.

It is the state of consciousness of the observer that determines the

state of the expression of the Reality.

Through many fold sophistication of sense perceptions (by way of gadgets

and instruments) the mind is made so subtle (for a short period of time)

that one can comment about sub-atomic particles and their state of

existence.

Can we say that for that period of time of such an observance the

physicist is in a state of samadhi!!!

dr c s s

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. shah

 

yes the absolute conciousness should be beyond duality. Yes that's also

very true that the state of consciousness of the observer determines

the state of the expression of the reality..

 

i guess we can't say that through these instruments physicist is seeing

the state of samadhi for i guess the state of samadhi is beyond

observance.

 

 

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Dr C S Shah wrote:

 

> Dr C S Shah <drcssha

>

> Hello,

> Beyond this particle-wave duality is " Absolute Consciousness " , which in

> fact is erroneously perceived as these illusory phenomena.

> It is the state of consciousness of the observer that determines the

> state of the expression of the Reality.

> Through many fold sophistication of sense perceptions (by way of gadgets

> and instruments) the mind is made so subtle (for a short period of time)

> that one can comment about sub-atomic particles and their state of

> existence.

> Can we say that for that period of time of such an observance the

> physicist is in a state of samadhi!!!

> dr c s s

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