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While at the Cossipore garden house, Sri Ramakrishna was about to have his

meal one day. At that time the elder Gopal and another direct disciple were

sitting on the cot. Thakur asked them to get down so he could eat.

I think it was Shashi (later Sw. Ramakrishnananda) who felt embarrassed at

the Guru's action and questioned it. Sri Ramakrishna explained that he was a

Brahmin by birth and there was some basic `achar' (proper behaviour) which

one had to follow.

I think this has to do with the tendencies one inherits at birth, which

comprises various attributes. Modern-day scientists should be able to trace

this from the genes. But I have found that following one's dharma is the

only way. Once a Vaishnava, always a Vaishnava. There is no need to stray to

another sect and grope your way back to the correct one. Only, treat all

sects with respect and do not assume a superior posture. All the different

paths lead to the same Supreme Being.

 

 

 

1. How important to a person is the knowledge of the philosophies of

Advaita, Dvaita and Visishtadvaita?

 

2. The adherence to the philosophies is herditary in Tamil Nadu (I do not

know about other parts of the country). For example, if my father belongs to

a particular math or ashram, I have no option but to follow the math/ashram.

In my case, I belong to the ashram of Srirangam Srimad Andavan, which

follows the Visishtadvaita philosophy. I am expected to follow the ashram's

traditions. As I am a Vaishnavaite, I have to wear the `namam' on my

forehead, and not the ashes or chandan.

 

Why is it so? Why can't each person have the liberty to follow the

philosophy of his choice?

 

R. Dinakaran

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> " Guha " <guha

>

> While at the Cossipore garden house, Sri Ramakrishna was about to have his

> meal one day. At that time the elder Gopal and another direct disciple were

> sitting on the cot. Thakur asked them to get down so he could eat.

> I think it was Shashi (later Sw. Ramakrishnananda) who felt embarrassed at

> the Guru's action and questioned it. Sri Ramakrishna explained that he was a

> Brahmin by birth and there was some basic `achar' (proper behaviour) which

> one had to follow.

> I think this has to do with the tendencies one inherits at birth, which

> comprises various attributes. Modern-day scientists should be able to trace

> this from the genes. But I have found that following one's dharma is the

> only way. Once a Vaishnava, always a Vaishnava. There is no need to stray to

> another sect and grope your way back to the correct one. Only, treat all

> sects with respect and do not assume a superior posture. All the different

> paths lead to the same Supreme Being.

>

prashanth replies

 

I don't think you have to stick to your dharma, All the scholars say that you

should fallow your dharma only if you are completely convinced with it,

if that was not the case why did Vishishtadvaita and Dvaita came , both

Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya could have fallowe blindly Advaita.

 

Both Ramanuja and Madvacharya were learing under Advaitha teachers first,

when they found that Advaitha could not answer all there questions they had,

they had to fallow fallow what they felt right , and IMO there is nothing

wrong in it, and formed Vishistadvaita and Dvaita .

 

 

sarvam vasudevamayam jagath

Prashanth

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Dear Prashant,

The sun exists. Do you dispute that? But how will

you make a blind man understand that the sun exists? You have to adopt some

suitable method to make him accept the fact. Sri Ramakrishna described the

situation well. A mother, according to him, cooks fish in different ways for

her different children. People have different beliefs, and they are so

engrossed in these (rituals) that they become blind to reality.

 

Similarly, God exists, only the methods adopted by religious teachers are

different. Advaita is considered a dry subject and hence sages such as

Ramanuja chose ways that could attract the common people to God. Ultimately,

all these masters realised that God is one. As Sri Ramakrishna says, you

proceed on different paths, but reach the same spot.

 

The soul, according to the Gita, is reborn in the womb most suited to it by

virtue of the karma in the previous life. These are evidently stages of

evolution. That is why people lead lives in line with the family they belong

to. The religious tendencies of family members are also similar. A poor

person is accustomed to the coarsest food and a rich man to rich food.

Ultimately, it is food that is needed. Thus, paths may be different, the aim

is the same: to fill the tummy or to realise God. - Guha

 

 

Prashant G <gprasha

prashanth replies

 

I don't think you have to stick to your dharma, All the scholars say that

you

should fallow your dharma only if you are completely convinced with it,

if that was not the case why did Vishishtadvaita and Dvaita came , both

Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya could have fallowe blindly Advaita.

 

Both Ramanuja and Madvacharya were learing under Advaitha teachers first,

when they found that Advaitha could not answer all there questions they

had,

they had to fallow fallow what they felt right , and IMO there is nothing

wrong in it, and formed Vishistadvaita and Dvaita .

 

 

sarvam vasudevamayam jagath

Prashanth

 

 

 

> " Guha " <guha

>

> While at the Cossipore garden house, Sri Ramakrishna was about to have his

> meal one day. At that time the elder Gopal and another direct disciple

were

> sitting on the cot. Thakur asked them to get down so he could eat.

> I think it was Shashi (later Sw. Ramakrishnananda) who felt embarrassed at

> the Guru's action and questioned it. Sri Ramakrishna explained that he was

a

> Brahmin by birth and there was some basic `achar' (proper behaviour) which

> one had to follow.

> I think this has to do with the tendencies one inherits at birth, which

> comprises various attributes. Modern-day scientists should be able to

trace

> this from the genes. But I have found that following one's dharma is the

> only way. Once a Vaishnava, always a Vaishnava. There is no need to stray

to

> another sect and grope your way back to the correct one. Only, treat all

> sects with respect and do not assume a superior posture. All the different

> paths lead to the same Supreme Being.

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Mr Guha,

You are engaging in intellectual discussion again. You are using similies

and reasoning to arrive at some inference or other---exactly the way the

Mystics did. In fact, this is why you have become a member of Onelist.com.

But, you need not worry. Because, the path of Bhakti finally leads to

Jnan---the ultimate Knowledge that is God, your oasis. Even Ramakrishna and

Vivekananda denounced Bhakti which is devoid of knowledge and love.

With love,

Tanmoy

 

 

-

Guha <guha

<Ramakrishna >

Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:08 PM

[ramakrishna] Re: Tradition

 

 

> " Guha " <guha

>

> Dear Prashant,

> The sun exists. Do you dispute that? But how will

> you make a blind man understand that the sun exists? You have to adopt

some

> suitable method to make him accept the fact. Sri Ramakrishna described the

> situation well. A mother, according to him, cooks fish in different ways

for

> her different children. People have different beliefs, and they are so

> engrossed in these (rituals) that they become blind to reality.

>

> Similarly, God exists, only the methods adopted by religious teachers are

> different. Advaita is considered a dry subject and hence sages such as

> Ramanuja chose ways that could attract the common people to God.

Ultimately,

> all these masters realised that God is one. As Sri Ramakrishna says, you

> proceed on different paths, but reach the same spot.

>

> The soul, according to the Gita, is reborn in the womb most suited to it

by

> virtue of the karma in the previous life. These are evidently stages of

> evolution. That is why people lead lives in line with the family they

belong

> to. The religious tendencies of family members are also similar. A poor

> person is accustomed to the coarsest food and a rich man to rich food.

> Ultimately, it is food that is needed. Thus, paths may be different, the

aim

> is the same: to fill the tummy or to realise God. - Guha

>

>

> Prashant G <gprasha

> prashanth replies

>

> I don't think you have to stick to your dharma, All the scholars say

that

> you

> should fallow your dharma only if you are completely convinced with it,

> if that was not the case why did Vishishtadvaita and Dvaita came , both

> Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya could have fallowe blindly Advaita.

>

> Both Ramanuja and Madvacharya were learing under Advaitha teachers

first,

> when they found that Advaitha could not answer all there questions they

> had,

> they had to fallow fallow what they felt right , and IMO there is

nothing

> wrong in it, and formed Vishistadvaita and Dvaita .

>

>

> sarvam vasudevamayam jagath

> Prashanth

>

>

>

> > " Guha " <guha

> >

> > While at the Cossipore garden house, Sri Ramakrishna was about to have

his

> > meal one day. At that time the elder Gopal and another direct disciple

> were

> > sitting on the cot. Thakur asked them to get down so he could eat.

> > I think it was Shashi (later Sw. Ramakrishnananda) who felt embarrassed

at

> > the Guru's action and questioned it. Sri Ramakrishna explained that he

was

> a

> > Brahmin by birth and there was some basic `achar' (proper behaviour)

which

> > one had to follow.

> > I think this has to do with the tendencies one inherits at birth, which

> > comprises various attributes. Modern-day scientists should be able to

> trace

> > this from the genes. But I have found that following one's dharma is the

> > only way. Once a Vaishnava, always a Vaishnava. There is no need to

stray

> to

> > another sect and grope your way back to the correct one. Only, treat all

> > sects with respect and do not assume a superior posture. All the

different

> > paths lead to the same Supreme Being.

>

> > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

>

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Dear friends,

 

In fact the path to progress towards spirituality is highly individual.

One has to become " Utterly Selfish " to get the requisite grasp of the

goal which is most wonderfully blissful. It is beyond imagination of

relative consciousness what great treasure is hidden for everyone when

he or she proceeds towards the realization of the SELF.

 

However, if even to earn a few dollars we must go to school and college,

bow down and listen to our professors and teachers; then to presume that

one can know spiritual truths without help from the " teachers " or the

persons expert in the field of spirituality does not make sense to me.

 

At present scriptural exposition in various books and audio-video

literature can also be made use of, to some extent, to lift our

consciousness and clarify our concepts about spiritual science. But

sooner or later, everyone must approach a realized soul to seek the way

for himself or herself for further spiritual growth.

 

May everyone become fit to meet such a soul, that is my sincere prayer.

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Tanmoy Chakraborty wrote:

>

> " Tanmoy Chakraborty " <ctanmoy.ct

>

> Mr Guha,

> You are engaging in intellectual discussion again. You are using similies

> and reasoning to arrive at some inference or other---exactly the way the

> Mystics did. In fact, this is why you have become a member of Onelist.com.

> But, you need not worry. Because, the path of Bhakti finally leads to

> Jnan---the ultimate Knowledge that is God, your oasis. Even Ramakrishna and

> Vivekananda denounced Bhakti which is devoid of knowledge and love.

> With love,

> Tanmoy

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