Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 This is a very good mail.Makes a lot of sense & i guess a real food for your thots -- --------- I asked God to take away my pain. God said, No. It is not for me to take away, but for you to give it up. I asked God to make my handicapped child whole.God said, No. Her spirit was whole, her body was only temporary. I asked God to grant me patience.God said, No. Patience is a by-product of tribulations; it isn't granted,it is earned. I asked God to give me happiness.God said, No. I give you blessings. Happiness is up to you. I asked God to spare me pain.God said, No. Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares and brings you closer to me. I asked God to make my spirit grow.God said, No. You must grow on your own, but I will prune you to make you fruitful. I asked for all things that I might enjoy life.God said, No. I will give you life so that you may enjoy all things. I ask God to help me LOVE others, as much as he loves me. God said...Ahhhh, finally you have the idea. -- --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 1999 Report Share Posted November 23, 1999 > ---------- > Ramakrishna [sMTP:Ramakrishna ] > Reply Ramakrishna > Friday, November 12, 1999 10:31 AM > Ramakrishna > [ramakrishna] Digest Number 259 > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > ------ > > There are 7 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. (no subject) > " Madhava K. Turumella " <madhava > 2. Avadhuta Gita > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > 3. Fwd: Click & Save a life > " Swaminathan Venkataraman " <nachiketas > 4. Re: Tradition > " Guha " <guha > 5. Freedom > Anurag Goel <anurag > 6. Guru > Anurag Goel <anurag > 7. Guru > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > Dear Sri madhava, > Thank you very much for your posting on your three mothers. You are really > a blessed man.The importance of these postings cannot be measured. We > cannot count the number of people who became devotees of Sri Ramana > Maharshi, world over, after reading the experiences of Mr. Paul Brunton in > his book " A Search in Secret India. " . Please think of writing an auto > biography > and publish it. I am sure, such a work would help many devotees > consolidate their faith and accelerate sadhana. > In future postings, when you are referring to temples, please indicate > their locations also like the kali temple in guntur > > With pranams > > Ramana Sarma > Message: 1 > Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:19:17 +0300 > " Madhava K. Turumella " <madhava > (no subject) > > People kept writing to me, now I consider that this is a call from my > mother. Gausima this is also for you, have faith... > > This is a humble offering to my Mother, who is always protecting me and > guiding me: > > My maternal grand-father used to work as a thasasildar in Bapatla, a small > town in Guntur District. My father (now retired as an Asst. Director, > Survey and land records) was working as a Taluk Surveyor those days. > > There is a small village called " jillEllamuDi " , where a mother called > " anasuya " , very famously known as " jillEllamuDi amma " . She was believed > to > be the avatara of Goddess Lalita. She was also called as " Annapurna " , > because of offering regularly free food for thousands of people. Though > the > Amma is physically no more, her ashram is still there and the free food > distribution is still continuing. > > I was 11 days old infant then. My parents left me at home at my grand > parents place and went to visit " Mother Anasuya " at Jillellamudi. Before > that, my parents told me, that they never met her. Yet! The moment she > saw > them approaching her, she asked them " where is my boy " . My parents seem > to > have surprised. They did not say a word and stood in front of her. It > seems she questioned: " how could you do this, poor fellow is at home > waiting to see me and you left him and came alone? " . My father with out > hesitating any more, sent his official jeep back to the town, in order to > bring *me* (not yet named :-)) > > Anasuya amma asked my parents to stay in the ashram for 3 days. During > those three days, they say that she her self looked after me. She > performed > 3 functions (1) namakarana = She gave a name to me (2) annaprasana = she > fed > me the first morsel of food to my physical body. (3) uuyala = She put me > on > a bed in the cradle. In our families these functions are considered very > important. All these are performed by that divine mother. My mother seem > to have asked her to protect me and give education to me. For that > " Anasuya > amma " replied saying " I shall teach him when the time comes, don't worry " . > My parents considered all these as spiritual experiences. But I turned > their happiness turned in to worry by my childhood behavior. > > I grew up in a town called Repalle, at the banks of River Krishna. I am > considered to be a very knotty boy. My mother got frustrated many times > and > punished me. I was a questioner. Every thing was a question to me. > There > used to be a Sri Rama temple in front of our house. The priest in that > temple is a vaishnava. He was very fond of me. Because, I was interested > in eating the sweet prasad (offering to the Lord) I used to visit the > temple > and clean the idols and help the priest. I used to call him as > " taatagaru " , > (his real name was raamaanujAcAryulu) he was 90 years old then. He taught > me many hymns. He taught me Hanuman chalisa. He used to tell me stories > about the valor of Lord Hanuman. Every night, listening from him, the > stories of Lord Hanuma was my ritual. Of course, in the morning again I > am > a notty boy. My mother used to complain to the priest about my > misbehavior. > The priest used to protect me from my mother's beatings, saying that I am > a > child... (I shall write more about him when needed) > > My father's elder brother lives in a town called Guntur. He is 75 years > old now. He owns a cinema hall in Guntur. Listening to him is a great > education in deed! He is more in to Karma Marga (doing Homas and Pujas > and > Upasanas). When I was 11 years old, I went to spend my summer holidays at > my uncle's home at Guntur. He regularly performs homa. He also has a > family Hanuman temple. There is a Goddess Lalita Temple near to their > home. > It is believed that Mother Kali, personifies in the night time and she > doesn't like to see humans moving around the temple at that time. So > nobody > dare used to go near to the temple in the night times. The pujari leaves > the temple by 9PM. I got curious to see that Kali who is scaring away all > the disciples. I thought, if she is the mother then she should behave > like > my mother. I wanted to have first hand experience about Mother Kali. I > sneaked in to the temple premises (the temple has a big garden) and stayed > there in the night. I did wait to see Mother Kali for 1 hour. But I > could > not control my sleep. I think by mid-night, some body woke me up. I woke > up and looked at her. She was very pleasant, very young, looked very > adorable. She directly questioned me " Madhava! what are you doing here at > this night? " . I told her that I wanted to Mother Kali. She smiled and > asked " why you wanted to see her? " . I told her that I am just curious to > find why every body is scared of her. She smiled and told me that people > are scared with their own shadows, hence they can't see Mother Kali. I > felt > very happy to see her. I asked her " Are you Mother Kali? " . She replied > " Yes! " . I asked her " what is the proof that you are mother Kali " . She > laughed loud and told that she expected this question from me. She told > me > that I am going to meet the " real teacher of my life " the next day. She > also told me that I wouldn't realize it till I meet her again after 12 > years. After telling me about various things, she finally told me that I > should go home and sleep. I obeyed. Normally, the priest locks the main > doors of the temple premises, that day, miraculously the temple doors were > kept opened. I went home, my uncle was very much worried about me. They > are all awake. They asked me where I went. I told them that I went to > see > mother Kali. He asked me whether I saw her. I told Yes. He was worried. > The next day, he did a homa and instructed me to be obedient to Kali. > > In the after noon, my uncle called me and asked me to go along with him. > I > went with him in his car. Incidentally, my uncle (father's eldest > brother) > was the man who invited Swamy Chinmayananda to Guntur for his first ever > lectures in Costal Andhrapradesh in the year 1954. He is also a founder > member and first general secretary of Chinmaya Mission, Guntur. He took > me > to a place where paadapuja was being performed to a sanyasini called > Swamini > Saradapriyananda, Chinmaya Mission. My uncle became busy with discussions > with other people. I got curious at the elderly lady who was sitting high > in a chair, decorated with garlands. I went and asked her " who are you " > :-) > My uncle was very upset that I asked her this. She replied that " she > knows > who she is... " taking my question quite seriously. Because of my behavior > my uncle drove me back to home immediately after the bhiksa (lunch). I > did > not get a chance to speak to her again for 10 years of my later life. I > met > her again, along with my sister, at a Bhagawat Gita jnanayagna place in > Chilakaluripet. By that time I realized that, as per Mother Kali's > instructions, she is my teacher. She taught me Vedanta.... > > I have three mothers. The one who gave me birth, " Lakshmi prasanna > Savitri " ... The one who gave me my first food " annapurna " , the one who > taught me real education " Saarada " .. I bow to them from my heart, ever > humble, thanking them for the privilege they gave me. > > mAdhavagurO dayA bandhO mAdhava jnAna dAyinee > madhu vAgmaya tAptyarthaM SAradAM praNamAmyahaM || > > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > > Message: 2 > Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:14:33 -0000 > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > Avadhuta Gita > > Avadhuta > Chapter 1 Verse 41 > > > Know all this universe to be formless. Know all this universe to be devoid > of transformation. Know all this universe to be pure existence itself. > Know > all this universe to be of the nature of the Supreme Beatitude. > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > > Message: 3 > Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:06:07 PST > " Swaminathan Venkataraman " <nachiketas > Fwd: Click & Save a life > > > > > > " anandamoy sahoo " <sahoo1 > >32intact > >32intact > >Fwd: Click & Save a life > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >From dev-null Wed Nov 10 19:44:52 1999 > >Received: from [151.196.221.10] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailB9F3869C0073D82197B897C4DD0A8EEB0; Wed Nov 10 19:44:48 1999 > >X-Comment: To unsubcribe from this list visit http://remove.coollist.com > >Precedence: list > >Errors-dev-null > > > >Please check this site. > >All you need to do is just to click on the " Save A Life " button and > >>the sponsors will pay for donating food to the victims of the Cyclone in > >>Orissa. Just visit this site and save a life. Please pass this on to as > >>many people as you can. > >> > > > >> > > http://www.causeanaffect.org/ > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > " Ashis Dutta " <dutta_ashis > >ADeb, bkbasu, sahoo1, > >sb-TNG, dbhadra, > >skmitra, b_jaideep, > >kallol_ban, > >nilanjan_ray, rajatjroy, > >sengupta_anindya, shinjit, > >soumyachatterjee, sumanda, > >Debankur_Das, > >Debashis_Palchaudhuri, JITESH_SHAH, > >SANYAL, 7SUBRA, > >Somnath.Basu, 3367-IM, > >skmitra, jyoti, > arijit, > >smkbasu, sikhendra, subrojit > >Fwd: [bit1994] Click & Save a life > >Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:39:53 PST > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from 147.226.218.236 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;Wed, 10 Nov > >1999 > >19:39:53 PST > >X-Originating-IP: [147.226.218.236] > > > > > > > > > >> " Dharambir Marwaha " <dharambirmarwaha > >>dharam > >>Fwd: [bit1994] Click & Save a life > >>Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:37:41 GMT > >>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>Received: from 207.153.109.242 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;Wed, 10 Nov > >>1999 13:37:41 PST > >>X-Originating-IP: [207.153.109.242] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>----Original Message Follows---- > >>Mohana Narayan <mnnaraya > >>bit1994 > >>bit1994 > >>[bit1994] Click & Save a life > >>Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:41:26 -0800 > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >____ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > > Message: 4 > Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:08:08 +0530 > " Guha " <guha > Re: Tradition > > Dear Prashant, > The sun exists. Do you dispute that? But how will > you make a blind man understand that the sun exists? You have to adopt > some > suitable method to make him accept the fact. Sri Ramakrishna described the > situation well. A mother, according to him, cooks fish in different ways > for > her different children. People have different beliefs, and they are so > engrossed in these (rituals) that they become blind to reality. > > Similarly, God exists, only the methods adopted by religious teachers are > different. Advaita is considered a dry subject and hence sages such as > Ramanuja chose ways that could attract the common people to God. > Ultimately, > all these masters realised that God is one. As Sri Ramakrishna says, you > proceed on different paths, but reach the same spot. > > The soul, according to the Gita, is reborn in the womb most suited to it > by > virtue of the karma in the previous life. These are evidently stages of > evolution. That is why people lead lives in line with the family they > belong > to. The religious tendencies of family members are also similar. A poor > person is accustomed to the coarsest food and a rich man to rich food. > Ultimately, it is food that is needed. Thus, paths may be different, the > aim > is the same: to fill the tummy or to realise God. - Guha > > > Prashant G <gprasha > prashanth replies > > I don't think you have to stick to your dharma, All the scholars say > that > you > should fallow your dharma only if you are completely convinced with it, > if that was not the case why did Vishishtadvaita and Dvaita came , both > Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya could have fallowe blindly Advaita. > > Both Ramanuja and Madvacharya were learing under Advaitha teachers > first, > when they found that Advaitha could not answer all there questions they > had, > they had to fallow fallow what they felt right , and IMO there is > nothing > wrong in it, and formed Vishistadvaita and Dvaita . > > > sarvam vasudevamayam jagath > Prashanth > > > > > " Guha " <guha > > > > While at the Cossipore garden house, Sri Ramakrishna was about to have > his > > meal one day. At that time the elder Gopal and another direct disciple > were > > sitting on the cot. Thakur asked them to get down so he could eat. > > I think it was Shashi (later Sw. Ramakrishnananda) who felt embarrassed > at > > the Guru's action and questioned it. Sri Ramakrishna explained that he > was > a > > Brahmin by birth and there was some basic `achar' (proper behaviour) > which > > one had to follow. > > I think this has to do with the tendencies one inherits at birth, which > > comprises various attributes. Modern-day scientists should be able to > trace > > this from the genes. But I have found that following one's dharma is the > > only way. Once a Vaishnava, always a Vaishnava. There is no need to > stray > to > > another sect and grope your way back to the correct one. Only, treat all > > sects with respect and do not assume a superior posture. All the > different > > paths lead to the same Supreme Being. > > > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > > Message: 5 > Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:58:14 +0530 (IST) > Anurag Goel <anurag > Freedom > > > One i went to a satsang by Sri Ravi Shankar. There he said that if u want > to see the bliss see it on the face of child when it comes home n throws > away his school bag. > > Later i have been thinking abt it n i realised that wat child is doing is > throwing away the burden. When we will throw away all the burden we have > taken we surely will be happy forever. We have to learn not to take > burden out of life. > > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > > Message: 6 > Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:19:01 +0530 (IST) > Anurag Goel <anurag > Guru > > > if i am able to recall properly that rishi's name was Shukdeva > > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > > Message: 7 > Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:09:22 +0530 (IST) > Anurag Goel <anurag > Guru > > > Some days back i read one article i am writting some things frm that > article. > > Once such a condition prevailed on earth that all the rishis became > selfish, started fightig with each other, there only became how to show > other rishi down, greed pride n desires started overpowering them. > > They didn't know wat to do. Then all of them decided to choose 1 boy to be > there Guru. I have forgotten the name of that great rishi. He said that > though my fathers, grandfathers r sitting here but none of them n u r > worth being caled a rishi. All of them pleaded that they be shown right > path. Guru Pujan was the only sadhana that saved them n due to which the > rishis could rise n once become real rishis in real sense. It was only > then that rishi like Kaanaada wrote a whole granth on Atom. > > > > ________________________ > _____ > ________________________ > _____ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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