Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 ~~~~~~om shanthi om ~~~~~~ Excerpted from the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna p.141 Wednesday 17/11/99 The Master Said: " All men look alike, to be sure, but they have different natures. Some have an excess of sattva, others an excess of rajas, and still others an excess of tamas. You must have noticed that the cakes known as puli all look alike. But their contents are very different. Some contain condensed milk, some coconut kernel, and others mere boiled kalAi pulse. " This last comment brought forth laughter among the devotees om tat sat ~~~~~~om shanthi om ~~~~~~ Extrait du Gospel de Sri Ramakrishna p.141 Mercredi 17/11/99 Le Maître Dit: " Pour être sûrs, tous les hommes regardent de même, mais ils ont des natures différentes. Certains ont un excès de sattva, de d'autres un excès des rajas, et encore de d'autres un excès des tamas. Vous devez avoir noté que les gâteaux connus sous le nom de 'puli' tout regardent de même. Mais leur contenu est très différent. Certains contiennent le lait condensé, un certain grain de noix de coco, et d'autres, rien que les plantes légumineuses de kalAi bouillie. " Ce dernier commentaire a apporté le rire parmi les passionnés om tat sat ~~~~~~om shanthi om~~~~~~ RE: Message: 7 Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:23:17 PST " Swaminathan Venkataraman " <nachiketas Re: hullaballoo Dear Ramakrishna list members I think that the response in India certainly does not arise out of feeling that Christian religious ideas " threaten " Hindus in any way. I heard this biblical story yesterday. When god gave Moses the ten commandments and asked him to enjoin them upon his followers, Moses asked god " Who am I to say gave this to me? " God said " I am that I am " . What a wonderful statement. Just a literal translation of " Om Tat Sat " . Sri Ramana Maharshi has quoted the above biblical statement several times when asked to summarise his teaching. I personally cannot in any way look differently upon the Christian teachings and Hinduism than I can differentiate between, say, the followers of Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Ramana Maharshi. Any discomfort that exists in India , if I may say so, has its roots in what maybe called the difference between religiosity and spirituality. Missionaries and Converted christians in India (irrespective of the caste which they belonged to as Hindus) immediately adopt what I can only call a fanatical attitude denouncing all Hindu philosophy as arrant nonsense purely with the aim of increasing their own flock in India. For instance, Krishna is denounced as a war-monger for asking Arjuna to fight (in contrast with Christ's injunction to show the other cheek), as a womaniser when they understand nothing about the significance of Rasaleela. All kinds of ridiculous stories are circulated in pamphlets about how Ganesha got his elephant head which could well have been sent to the trashiest magazine in town catering to people's base instincts. The list is endless and I could go on and on with my own experiences. It is such behaviour coupled with the use of economic incentives to conversion (which many view as exploitation of India's poverty) that have given rise to these tensions. I write this mail only as information to my brothers and sisters who may not be very much in the know about happenings at the grass-root level in India. Let us clearly separate religiosity from spirituality and concentrate on imbibing and living the spiritual truths that every realised soul has sought to convey. If my mails on this subject have disturbed anybody's spiritual practices for even a day, please forgive me. Someone asked Sri Ramana Maharshi, " If I realise myself, can I help alleviate suffering the world? " . Bhagawan replied, " If you realise yourself, there is no one else to help " So, if we can realise ourselves, there is no one else to " converted " either. Om Namo Bhagawate Sri Ramakrishnaya Om Namo Bhagawate Sri Ramanaya Glory to the father in heaven Swami _________________ Comment: Warm greetings to all ! Swami Yogeshananda Hari om ! When I read a digest, such as yesterdays, with the many 'profound' and also 'light' postings, I cannot help to feel most humble and thankful to be welcome amongst you. Sri Swaminathan om Namah ! Perhaps the good people of the Republic of India may be able to pressure their politicians in enacting strict 'anti-hate' legislation, such as we have in America. Charges are brought against those who violate the fundamental laws of decency, such as the 'Christian' pamphlets, you describe in your wonderful message featured above. In fact, they are 'Christian' in name only, if they spread malicious un-truths, which are hurtful to their neighbours. And, we can safely say, that Moslem, Christian or Hindu-bashings, are only the sad by-product of a weak human rights code, and a deplorable general lack of honest, vigorous and competent police protection. These are the cold hard facts. Corruption cannot exist 'hand-in-hand' with Sanatana Dharma. Sri Aurobindo said it so well: " 'THIS Hindu nation [speaking of India] was born with the Sanatan Dharma, with it it moves and with it it grows. When the Sanatan Dharma declines, then the nation declines.' " Political pressure, to eliminate the many forms of corruption from the personal, political and business habits of Indians, must be exerted on all fronts. This is a vital necessity, for the continued progress of the nation, in the coming 'brutally-harsh economic realities' of the Twenty-first Century. To papraphrase again our dear Swami Vivekananaji " We must strain every nerve and every muscle for it " ...that is the ideal, my brothers and sisters in tapasyA, ZERO TOLERANCE !!!! om shanthi om ____ 123India - India's Premier Search Engine Get your Free Email Account at http://www.123india.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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