C S Shah/Tradition

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Shah,

 

Just to clarify, I think you're speaking of a Satguru, not a Guru. A Guru

can come in any form to guide the soul toward realization; A Guru need not

even be embodied in a physical form. During this life I have had many

teachers, even animals. Swami Vivekananda's words are like gold to me, and

have helped beyond description on the path. Grace can come in any form, in

any incarnation, or even in no incarnation at all. You have to take into

account the soul's readiness as well. I don't think Sri Ramakrishna had an

embodied Guru at all... his Guru was Mother Kali.

 

Those who find a Satguru in any particular incarnation are blessed indeed,

for such a relationship is rare and difficult to find. I think realization

is possible but much slower without a Satguru for the " average " person.

There are many traps in the world-forest, and without a Satguru for

guidance it takes enormous dedication almost beyond imagination to cross

the ocean of the world, but I think it can be done by a few, especially

those who have mostly good karma and have been prepared in other past

lifetimes.

 

However, this is only an idea in this mind, no more or less correct than

the idea that a Satguru is required. Yet the example of Sri Ramakrishna is

beyond argument.

 

I certainly don't want to argue the point beyond this. This is my view on

the subject at this time, which may change depending on experience. I

don't know why this topic keeps coming up on various lists. It is up to

the individual to discover their path, and if realization comes, who can

argue with it?

 

HariH OM,

 

Tim

 

At 08:27 AM 11/17/99 +0530, you wrote:

>Dr C S Shah <drcssha

>

>Dear friends,

>

>In fact the path to progress towards spirituality is highly individual.

>One has to become " Utterly Selfish " to get the requisite grasp of the

>goal which is most wonderfully blissful. It is beyond imagination of

>relative consciousness what great treasure is hidden for everyone when

>he or she proceeds towards the realization of the SELF.

>

>However, if even to earn a few dollars we must go to school and college,

>bow down and listen to our professors and teachers; then to presume that

>one can know spiritual truths without help from the " teachers " or the

>persons expert in the field of spirituality does not make sense to me.

>

>At present scriptural exposition in various books and audio-video

>literature can also be made use of, to some extent, to lift our

>consciousness and clarify our concepts about spiritual science. But

>sooner or later, everyone must approach a realized soul to seek the way

>for himself or herself for further spiritual growth.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Tim Gerchmez <core1

>

>

> Dear Dr. Shah,

> account the soul's readiness as well. I don't think Sri Ramakrishna had

> an

> embodied Guru at all... his Guru was Mother Kali.

[Madhava Replies:]

Dear Tim:

 

Just a note: Sri Ramakrishna ParamahaMsa in deed has a guru called

" Totapuri " who has asked Ramakrishna paramahaMsa to look beyond the form of

Mother Kali.

 

Love,

Madhava

[Guest guest]

> I certainly don't want to argue the point beyond this. This is my view on

> the subject at this time, which may change depending on experience.

Dear Tim,

I think there is always small scope for discussion on every topic, even

mediocre!!! We are discussing and not arguing. Do not feel that I do

not learn from you and others who so sincerely and with efforts send

their views on this list.

dr c s shah

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