Guest guest Posted November 18, 1999 Report Share Posted November 18, 1999 Dear Ed, At 02:34 PM 11/17/99 -0800, you wrote: >EDTipple <edtipple > >Dear Tim, > >It was time and I thank you for your letter on exclusionism. As Swami >Prabhavananda used to say, " Put Christ, Krishna, Shankara, Mohammed, >Ramakrishna, Buddha in a room together and they would get along >famously. Put their disciples in a room together and they will fight to >kill. " Unfortunately that would probably be true. Perhaps the followers of Hinduism and Buddhism would merely shout at everyone though, while the Muslims and Christians drew swords :-) (that was meant in humor, but maybe a grain of truth?)... >We must stop all better-than-thou-ism. Truth is one -- and we do >it a great disservice to become entangled in the arguments of ignorance. I don't think it will ever stop completely (maybe I'm being cynical)... but I will continue to cry from the heart for an end to it anyway. The heart cries out for love and harmony and peace. The mind, though, seems to enjoy the excitement of argumentation (as the senses are stimulated by various pleasures, so argumentation has a similar effect on the mind), and I think anyone who says that most minds don't enjoy argumentation is putting the lie to a simple fact. That's the essential problem -- that disagreement is the basic nature of the mind and ego, which see only dualities. Until there is an ability to go beyond the mind altogether, the argumentation will continue on some level or another. HariH OM, Tim ----- " Open mind, open heart, tolerance of all viewpoints " Visit " The Core " Website at http://coresite.cjb.net - Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's other pages are at http://core.vdirect.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 1999 Report Share Posted November 18, 1999 >It was time and I thank you for your letter on exclusionism. As Swami >Prabhavananda used to say, " Put Christ, Krishna, Shankara, Mohammed, >Ramakrishna, Buddha in a room together and they would get along >famously. Put their disciples in a room together and they will fight to >kill. " This is a great saying! And oh, soooo, true. I have witnessed it happening numerous times. When diciples of the great teachers fight amongst themselves it does such a disservice to the teacher... <<That's the essential problem - that disagreement is the basic nature of the mind and ego, which see only dualities. Until there is an ability to go beyond the mind altogether, the argumentation will continue on some level or another.>> I don't agree that it is the nature of the mind to argue and disagree....the ego perhaps, but not the mind. <<I think anyone who says that most minds don't enjoy argumentation is putting the lie to a simple fact.>> I know many folks who HATE to argue with anyone. To a fault almost, for, there are times when confrontation is the only way to solve certain problems. Loving to argue is a personality trait in some, not so in others... Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 1999 Report Share Posted November 19, 1999 This is exactly happening now. Most of or say everything (for me) is there in Gita/Mahabharat & Ramayan. All the preachers, saints tell the same basic things, like honesty, hard work, responsibilities for parents, spouse,children, neighbors and the environment, that is mother nature. Simply, they want to teach thy DUTIES. Performing Puja, worshipping God in a different manner has nothing to with performing the Duties. Take candle and chant the name of Jesus Christ in the church or take an oil lamp and chant name of Rama or Krsna in a temple or go to a Mosque and chant the name of Allah is all same thing, because God has been given different name in different languages.The religion is man made and it came from the followers, who never knew God,or never tried to experience his existence but they form a group, namedit Religion and tried to prove superiority one over the other.And there comes war, fights in the name of God. If the followers, understood the meaning of " DUTIES " I.e. religion, then there won't be any fight in the name of Religion. But now the definition of Religion has changed, it has become a larger and larger communities who worship God in a different way, and the " the way " or act worshipping God has become to-day's religion. What is the meaning of getting married? that is union of a male and female.Now every culture has different tradition to bring the couple together.What ever the method or tradition,bringing the couple together is a Marriage.This different tradtions have also a become a part of the religion. Muslim,Hindus,Christians have different traditions and that has nothing to do with " GOD " . The teachings are same for evrybody, that is be remain faithfull to each other after marriage, share the problems of life equally. If the married people had taken the oath in its true meaning considering the marriage had taken place in the presence of God in the Temple or Church or Mosque, then there won't be any divorces or cheating on each other after marriage. This is happening because evryone knows that this act/tradition is man made.The couple who belive in God of any race or culture will stay togetether for ever in any circumstances. Smilarly, a true follower of God will never look in to Hindus, Jains, Muslims or Christians. But the followers have always fought over the superiority of one religion over the other and there arises the conflicts and in the name of religion (not in the name of God or Duties) they are ready to anything or even sacrifice.That we call " Zanoon " of Dharma, brain washed, blind followers of so caled religious leaders. OM Shanti Shanti Shanti. God is one, there is no boundry between man and nature. Nature is all one including homosapiens. (So called boundries are man made and because we have gone away from nature. Its our duty or dharma to go back to nature leaving all this artificial life we are living in.) - <FREESUE <Ramakrishna > Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:58 PM Re: [ramakrishna] Ed/Re: Digest Number 264 > FREESUE > > >It was time and I thank you for your letter on exclusionism. As Swami > >Prabhavananda used to say, " Put Christ, Krishna, Shankara, Mohammed, > >Ramakrishna, Buddha in a room together and they would get along > >famously. Put their disciples in a room together and they will fight to > >kill. " > > This is a great saying! And oh, soooo, true. I have witnessed it happening > numerous times. When diciples of the great teachers fight amongst themselves > it does such a disservice to the teacher... > > <<That's the essential problem - that disagreement is the basic nature of the > mind and ego, which see only dualities. Until there is an ability to go > beyond the mind altogether, the argumentation will continue on some level or > another.>> > > I don't agree that it is the nature of the mind to argue and disagree....the > ego perhaps, but not the mind. > > <<I think anyone who says that most minds don't enjoy argumentation is > putting the lie to a simple fact.>> > > I know many folks who HATE to argue with anyone. To a fault almost, for, > there are times when confrontation is the only way to solve certain problems. > Loving to argue is a personality trait in some, not so in others... > > Sue > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: > Get an APR as low as 2.9 Intro & NO annual fee! Apply online today! > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/nextcard16 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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