Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 I was never able to understand how can we and whole nature be created from just five elements Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Space (Ether,Vaccum). Yesterday i had some thought on it. N i realised that Earth would mean all solids, Water will mean all liquids, Fire will mean all kind of similar energies, n Space the vaccum. With this view i think we can say that whole creation is made up of these five elements. On the basis of broad structural organization of constituents everything can be categorised by these five elements Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Space. Gravitation is one of the characteristics which might be playing agr8 role in these five elements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 Dear Anurag, For further information on Five Elements and creation, according to advaita, please read " TatvaBodha " by Adisankara. Best Regards, Madhava > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > Sunday, December 05, 1999 12:25 PM > Ramakrishna > [ramakrishna] Five Elements > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > I was never able to understand how > can we and whole nature be created from just five elements Earth, Water, > Fire, Air and Space (Ether,Vaccum). > > Yesterday i had some thought on it. N > i realised that Earth would mean all solids, Water will mean all liquids, > Fire will mean all kind of similar energies, n Space the vaccum. With this > view i think we can say that whole creation is made up of these five > elements. On the basis of broad structural organization of constituents > everything can be categorised by these five elements Earth, Water, Fire, > Air and Space. Gravitation is one of the characteristics which might be > playing agr8 role in these five elements. > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 This is a conversation from another list but members here may wish to contribute -------mesgs--------- Hi Anurag This ideas of five elements have puzzled me too. I love Kapila's Samkhya darshan and this idea of five elements, etc sometimes do not seem to be in line with present findings. We have to remember that this Rishis were 'in touch with the underlying reality'. The knowledge they derived was not by mental gymnastics it was a very real first hand experience when one 'comes face to face with the underlying truth' hence they cannot be wrong yet we must also remember that they had to express this experience in the vocabulary and manner suited to their own times. Their experiences were not limited - however their expressions were limited. Hence for me it is very important to try and re-examine the teachings of Kapila in light of more recent day 'Rishis' like Vivekananda. Vivekananda gives a superb explanation of what the universe is made of:- Just two elements:- 'AKASH' " All penetrating existence " - (Akash - He says it is not vacuum or empty space but existence. AND 'Prana' - this prana cannot be separated from existence and yet it makes existence take on this manifold appearance. This is in line with the findings of science today. This re-learning via the teachings of recent rishis is what makes spirituality interesting. It also shows up the importance of such recent personalities. Sometimes I lash out at some meetings and tell the Hindus - Why should Vivekananda measure up to your past 'Rishis' or even the teachings of your vedas'? I make an opposite claim --- either the 'rishis and these vedas measure up to the teachings of Vivekananda or they lose their vibrancy! Why cannot the teachings be refreshed? Is mankind not evolving? Through science don't we have an excellent idea of what this universe is about? Mankind has moved on and the teachings of 'recent rishis' become very relevant. jay Anurag Goel Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna > 06 December 1999 10:25 [ramakrishna] Five Elements >Anurag Goel > > >I was never able to understand how >can we and whole nature be created from just five elements Earth, Water, >Fire, Air and Space (Ether,Vacuum). > > Yesterday i had some thought on it. N >i realised that Earth would mean all solids, Water will mean all liquids, >Fire will mean all kind of similar energies, n Space the vacuum. With this >view i think we can say that whole creation is made up of these five >elements. On the basis of broad structural organisation of constituents >everything can be categorised by these five elements Earth, Water, Fire, >Air and Space. Gravitation is one of the characteristics which might be >playing agr8 role in these five elements. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 Yep! jay i just started reading " Raja Yoga " By Swami Vivekananda. It very clearly n simply explains all about prana. Something which is very important to understand and feel. Yep everything comes out of Akash n again goes in to it and that Prana should be the reason behind anything that is animate. A posting by Madhava says that indeed choclates appeared out of the of play of Akash and Prana. I guess rishis divided it on to five elements owing to wat we perieve through normal perception. Much of this world is all abt wat we see through normal perception. Jay can some sites be found on internet explaining Sankhya by Sage Kapila. On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Vivekananda Centre wrote: > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > > This is a conversation from another list but members here may wish to > contribute > > -------mesgs--------- > > Hi Anurag > > This ideas of five elements have puzzled me too. I love Kapila's Samkhya > darshan and this idea of five elements, etc sometimes do not seem to be in > line with present findings. We have to remember that this Rishis were 'in > touch with the underlying reality'. The knowledge they derived was not by > mental gymnastics it was a very real first hand experience when one 'comes > face to face with the underlying truth' > hence they cannot be wrong yet we must also remember that they had to > express this experience in the vocabulary and manner suited to their own > times. Their experiences were not limited - however their expressions were > limited. Hence for me it is very important to try and re-examine the > teachings of Kapila in light of more recent day 'Rishis' like Vivekananda. > > Vivekananda gives a superb explanation of what the universe is made of:- > > Just two elements:- > > 'AKASH' " All penetrating existence " - (Akash - He says it is not vacuum or > empty space but existence. > > AND > > 'Prana' - this prana cannot be separated from existence and yet it makes > existence take on this manifold appearance. > > This is in line with the findings of science today. > > > This re-learning via the teachings of recent rishis is what makes > spirituality interesting. It also shows up the importance of such recent > personalities. > Sometimes I lash out at some meetings and tell the Hindus - Why should > Vivekananda measure up to your past 'Rishis' or even the teachings of your > vedas'? > I make an opposite claim --- either the 'rishis and these vedas > measure up to the teachings of Vivekananda or they lose their vibrancy! > Why cannot the teachings be refreshed? Is mankind not evolving? Through > science don't we have an excellent idea of what this universe is about? > Mankind has moved on and the teachings of 'recent rishis' become very > relevant. > > jay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 Dear Madhava, I will try to get " TatvaBodha " by Adisankara n read it. Many Thanks for guidance. Regards, On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Madhava K. Turumella wrote: > " Madhava K. Turumella " <madhava > > Dear Anurag, > > For further information on Five Elements and creation, according to advaita, > please read " TatvaBodha " by Adisankara. > > Best Regards, > Madhava > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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