Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 I do not find any digreement between the Advaita and Dvaita approach to the understanding of WHAT IS. They are just two different way of looking at the same thing. Advaita looks at the source of all to be BRAHMAN in its unmanifested state. This state is beyond matter, energy, space, and time. Thus, it cannot be described. Any description would make use of forms (made up of matter, energy, space, and time). But BRAHMAN in its unmanifested state is beyond matter, energy, space, and time, and, therefore, beyond all forms. Now, in order to create, BRAHMAN must manifest itself as Cause (Purusha) and Effect (Prakriti) simultaneously. You cannot have Cause without Effect, or Effect without Cause. And that is where form (guna) comes in, and that is where the viewpoint of Dvaita comes in. Advaita is looking at BRAHMAN unmanifested. Dvaita is looking at BRAHMAN manifested. Both are correct. They are simply looking at the same Reality in two different ways. Sincerely, Vinaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2000 Report Share Posted February 19, 2000 Dear Vinaire, I feel, it is not so simple; otherwise there would be no quarrel amongst the followers of Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, and Madhvacharya! Monism, Qualified Monism, and Dualism are three distinct philosophical creeds which cannot be reconciled as easily and as quickly as you and I want them to be. In fact, these are three ways of reaching the same Reality, if one engages as a sadhaka, sincerely and full heartedly, in spiritual practices as laid down by the Teacher -Guru- of any one these particular systems. But as the intellect has evolved to the point where many more persons can conceptually understand Advaita Monism, and this alone preaches what you have said, it is better to approach the quest towards Realization by following the Advaita Vedantic path as lived by Sri Ramakrishna, and later expounded by Swami Vivekananda. dr c s shah =================================== E-zine on science and spirituality. Do visit: http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html =================================== > vinaire wrote: > > " vinaire " <vinaire > > I do not find any disgreement between the Advaita and Dvaita approach > to the understanding of WHAT IS. They are just two different way of looking at the same thing. > Advaita looks at the source of all to be BRAHMAN in its unmanifested state. This state is beyond matter, energy, space, and time. Thus, it cannot be described. Any description would make use of forms (made up of matter, energy, space, and time). But BRAHMAN in its > unmanifested state is beyond matter, energy, space, and time, and, > therefore, beyond all forms. > Now, in order to create, BRAHMAN must manifest itself as Cause > (Purusha) and Effect (Prakriti) simultaneously. You cannot have Cause without Effect, or Effect without Cause. And that is where > form (guna) comes in, and that is where the viewpoint of Dvaita comes > in. > Advaita is looking at BRAHMAN unmanifested. > Dvaita is looking at BRAHMAN manifested. > Both are correct. They are simply looking at the same Reality in two > different ways. > > Sincerely, > Vinaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 From my limited understanding of the advaita, dvaita, visishtaadvaita, dvaitaadvaita, and suddhaadvaita, I believe only the advaita school would say that all the same Reality is reached. If my understanding is correct, the advaita school believes that nothing is achieved by enlightenment, as there is no illusion apart from Brahman. But the other schools believe that illusion is produced by the Lord, Who is Real, and therefore the illusion is Real also, though temporary. I think they also say that there is variegatedness _within_ reality, and different paths produce different results, even after the pure spiritual platform has been reached. On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:33:55 +0530 Dr C S Shah <drcssha writes: > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > Dear Vinaire, > I feel, it is not so simple; otherwise there would be no quarrel > amongst > the followers of Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, and Madhvacharya! > Monism, Qualified Monism, and Dualism are three distinct > philosophical > creeds which cannot be reconciled as easily and as quickly as you > and I > want them to be. > > In fact, these are three ways of reaching the same Reality, if one > engages as a sadhaka, sincerely and full heartedly, in spiritual > practices as laid down by the Teacher -Guru- of any one these > particular > systems. > > But as the intellect has evolved to the point where many more persons > can conceptually understand Advaita Monism, and this alone preaches > what > you have said, it is better to approach the quest towards > Realization by > following the Advaita Vedantic path as lived by Sri Ramakrishna, and > later expounded by Swami Vivekananda. > > dr c s shah > =================================== > E-zine on science and spirituality. Do visit: > http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta > http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html > =================================== > > vinaire wrote: > > > > " vinaire " <vinaire > > > > I do not find any disgreement between the Advaita and Dvaita > approach > > to the understanding of WHAT IS. They are just two different way > of > looking at the same thing. > > Advaita looks at the source of all to be BRAHMAN in its > unmanifested > state. This state is beyond matter, energy, space, and time. Thus, > it cannot be described. Any description would make use of forms > (made up of matter, energy, space, and time). But BRAHMAN in its > > unmanifested state is beyond matter, energy, space, and time, and, > > therefore, beyond all forms. > > Now, in order to create, BRAHMAN must manifest itself as Cause > > (Purusha) and Effect (Prakriti) simultaneously. You cannot have > Cause without Effect, or Effect without Cause. And that is where > > form (guna) comes in, and that is where the viewpoint of Dvaita > comes > > in. > > Advaita is looking at BRAHMAN unmanifested. > > Dvaita is looking at BRAHMAN manifested. > > Both are correct. They are simply looking at the same Reality in > two > > different ways. > > > > Sincerely, > > Vinaire > > > > ------ > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit > you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > http://click./1/914/4/_/411454/_/951054325/ > ------ > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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