Fw: (ramakrishna) Digest Number 349

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Jay kindly post this to list.

 

With kind regards

Prashanth

 

 

I was just reading this book, East and the West by sw v. He has taken the

same

subject and see how our swamy has explained on this.

 

With us(Hindus) the prominent idea is Mukthi. with the westerners it is

Dharma.

What we(Hindus) desire is Mukthi; what they(Westerners) want is Dharma. Here

the

word " Dharma is used in the sence of Mimamsakas. What is Dharma? Dharma is

that

which makes man seek happiness in this world or the next. Dharma is

established

on work. Dharma is impelling man day and night to run after and work for

happiness.

 

What is Mukthi? That which teaches that even the happiness of this life is

slavery, and the same is the happiness of the life to come, b'coz neither

this

nor the next is beyond the laws of nature. Only the slavery of this world

is to

that of the next, as an iron chanin is to a golden chain. Again happiness

whatever it may be, being within the law of the nature,is subject is subject

to

death and will not last infinitely. Therefore man must aspire to become

Muktha,

he must go beyond the bondage of body. Slavery will not do. This Moksha path

is

only there in India and nowhere else.

 

There was a time in India , When Dharma was compatible eith Mukthi. There

were

worshippers of Dharma like Yudhistira, Arjuna, Dronacharya, Bhishma, Karna,

Duryodhana, side by side with the aspirants of Mukthi, such as Vyasa,

Yagnyavalka, Janaka. On the advent of Buddhism Dharma was entirely neglected

and

the path of Moksha alone became predominent.However the central fact is,

that

the fall of our country, of which we here so much spoken, is due to the

utter

want of this Dharma. If the whole nation practices and fallows Moksha that

is

well and good. but is that possible? Without enjoyment, renunciation can

never

come; first enjoy and then you can renounce.Otherwise if the nation, all of

a

sudden takes up Samnyasa it does not gain what it desires but it loses what

it

had to in the bargain. When in the heyday of Buddhistic suprimacy, thousands

of

SannyaSins lived in every monastery, then it was that the country was just

on

the verge of its ruin! The Bauddhas, Christians , Jains Musalmans prescribe

in

their folly, same law and the same rule to one and all.That is a great

mistake;

education, habits ,customs, laws and rules should be different for different

men

and nations, in conformity withe their difference of temparament. The

Bauddhas

declared, " Nothing is more desirable in life than Moksha; whever you are

come

one and all to take it. " I ask " Is that ever possible? " " You are a

householder,

you must not concern with the things of that sort, you do your SvaDharma " , -

thus say the Hindu scriptures. You cannot feed your own family, or dole out

food

to two of your fellowmen, you can not do an ordinary peice of work for the

common good , in harmony with others, and you are running after Mukthi!!

 

The Hindu scriptures say " No doubt, Moksha is far superior to Dharma; but,

Dharma should be finished first of all. " .

 

 

[To be continued]

 

 

This is one of the best book I have read of Swamy Vivekananda. I feel for

beginner there should be some way to start reading the works of Swamy. I got

really carried away when I read some of his books like JnanaYoga, RajaYoga.

I at

once thought I can do all these, but I could never do any actions, I kept on

only thinking about all those big big words. I was always thinking Why I

can't I

try for Mukthi, why not all? after I read this most of my doubts were

cleared. I

realised that first let me do my Dharma and then think of Mukthi.

 

One more page I will mail in my next post.

 

Sarvam vasudevamayam jagath

Prashanth

 

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Prashant G <gprasha

<vivekananda

15 February 2000 13:14

RE: (ramakrishna) Digest Number 349

 

 

> Jay forward this to Ramakrishna list.

>

> Thanks

> Prashanth

>

>

> Dear vinaire.,

>

>

> If Sri Ramakrishna was an AVATAR, how come he had to suffer from cancer

> near the end of his days?

>

> This question is asked by many of his desciples to Ramakrishna himself.

> I faintly remember reading how our Takurji gave reply to such questions.

> When Naren asked him he said,

>

> " Dear naren, do you think the whatever I am suffering is because of my

Papa(Sin)

> karma, (Hindus beleive that what ever you are today is because of your

past

> karmas), not at all. I know that I have not even once committed any

Papa(sin)

> then how come this suffering?, this is all not mine, it is of all those

people

> who come to me with there suffering and ask me to cure.

>

> Once a leprosy man came and pleaded infront of me to cure this. I just

touched

> him and and with in few days he was cured, but do you know what i had to

pay for

> that, I suffered for a week of burning sensation in my chest. Then Hriday

took a

> promise from me to not to do such things. "

>

>

> sarvam vasudevamayam jagath

> Prashanth

>

>

> >

> > > vinaire

> > >

> > > I guess I have a question that was put to me by a new devotee of Sri

> > Ramakrishna. The question was, " If Sri Ramakrishna was an AVATAR, how

come

> > he

> > had to suffer from cancer near the end of his days? "

> > >

> > > That devotee is very sincere. She told me that Sri Ramakrishna

recently

> > appeared in her dream and blessed her. She is simply puzzled by the

above

> > occurrence in the earthly life of Sri Ramakrishna. I did answer her in

my

> > own

> > way, but it seems that it didn't quite satisfy her curiosity. I would

like

> > to

> > know how other participants on this board view that event.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Vinaire

> > >

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