RE: [ramakrishna] Lord and Lord

[Guest guest]

> " Vinaire " <vinaire

>

> M: " No, the Lord of all, the One without a second, is never unaware

> or out of control of His very Self. It is common knowledge that the

> Lord is the play, but He is forever untainted by the play, being both

> immanent and transcendent. "

>

> Vinaire: " The statement, 'Lord is without a second.' is a poetic

> expression only. It is false if interpreted literally. Each I is the

> Lord of its own universe. The physical universe is simply the overlap

> of all personal (individual) universes. There is no Lord of the

> physical universe as long as the I's are not coordinated fully,

> either by their own will, or under the will of a powerful Being. That

> powerful Being would simply be one of us, only more enlightened. "

>

Kathi: The 'Lord is without a second' is not a poetic expression, but the

final conclusion of Advaita Vedanta. Your conclusion implies duality.

[Guest guest]

Dear Kathi,

 

By " Lord " I do not mean BRAHMAN. By " Lord " I mean PARMATMAN (Supreme

Being).

 

" Brahman is neither being nor non-being. " So you cannot refer to

BRAHMAN as " Lord. "

 

BRAHMAN is the ABSOLUTE POTENTIAL that is the source of all ATMANs,

whether that ATMAN is a PARMATMAN (a Supreme Being), or a JIVATMAN (a

human being). There is nothing that limits the number of ATMAN to

just one who can reach the status of PARMATMAN .

 

BRAHMAN is a POTENTIAL. BRAHMAN cannot create unless It manifests

Itself as an ATMAN first.

 

I do not care if the above would be called Advaita or Dvaita. But all

my understanding rests on the above. I see the duality at the level

of Being (Atman), but I do not see duality at the level of Absolute

Potential (Brahman), simply because there is NOTHING manifested at

that level.

 

There CANNOT be a manifested non-duality. That would be

self-contradictory.

 

Vinaire

 

 

Ramakrishna , K Kathirasan ADM NCS

<kathirasan@m...> wrote:

>

>

> > " Vinaire " <vinaire

> >

> > M: " No, the Lord of all, the One without a second, is never

unaware

> > or out of control of His very Self. It is common knowledge that

the

> > Lord is the play, but He is forever untainted by the play, being

both

> > immanent and transcendent. "

> >

> > Vinaire: " The statement, 'Lord is without a second.' is a poetic

> > expression only. It is false if interpreted literally. Each I is

the

> > Lord of its own universe. The physical universe is simply the

overlap

> > of all personal (individual) universes. There is no Lord of the

> > physical universe as long as the I's are not coordinated fully,

> > either by their own will, or under the will of a powerful Being.

That

> > powerful Being would simply be one of us, only more enlightened. "

> >

> Kathi: The 'Lord is without a second' is not a poetic expression,

but the

> final conclusion of Advaita Vedanta. Your conclusion implies

duality.