[ramakrishna] What is Reality ?

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My understanding is that we perceive what we put there. You have to consider that there is something to be perceived before you can perceive it.

 

Let us look at the question,"In a forest which is very far from here if a tree falls down will it make a sound ?"

 

The very fact that this question is being asked means that questioner is holding the consideration that there is a forest very far from where he is. He is also holding the consideration that the distance is far enough that the sound of a falling tree would not travel back to him. Now he puts to you the question if a falling tree in that forest would create a sound.

 

Now the answer depends on the degree that you are sharing the questioner's considerations. Well, if you are agreeing with the principle's of Physics, a falling tree would suffer an impact with the ground, and, as a result, there would be a shock wave that would travel in the air, which would then dissipate after some distance. If that wave came in contact with a person's ear, it would be converted into an electrical impulse in the brain. But even such an electrical impulse would have to be perceived by some awareness and would have to be interpreted in a ceratin way.

 

And that interpretation would depend on the consideration held by that awareness, wouldn't it?

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Anurag Goel

Ramakrishna

Friday, March 31, 2000 11:02 AM

[ramakrishna] What is Reality ?

Jay these days i have been attending a Lecture Series on "Science And Spirituality". And there are some interesting things thatcame through.I once again got lost in to understanding this world. I was sort of lostuntil i once again came across the thought that what we see is what ourbody lets us see. I thought lets see the things both at the level of mind and body. At thelevel of mind each one us ( humans ) interpret the same picture verydifferently. There are many such pictures which we appear verydifferently to different people. So at the level of mind same picture orevent can appear differently to different people. So at the level of minditself the reality of so called real world is questioned. If we look at more hard level of physical body. Our senses ( Whichare normally five senses vision, touch, taste, hearing, smell. Wecan even include sixth sense to look at a bigger picture. ) sensesomething and they give some information to us. These senses give us verylimited information. For eg. the ( visual spectrum ) in the case ofvision and this limitedness of the senses can be extended similarly toother senses. Thus our senses present to us very limited information. Andthe world we see exists only on the basis of such information. In otherwords we see what our senses lets us see. If we manipulate our senses then what will appear to us will be analtogether different world. That is what happens in different species.The same external environment or world is different for different species. The world of mouquitoes, fish, cats, other animals and humans is differentfrom each others world. Which one should be real ? So the reality ofthe so called real world gets questioned at the hardware level too. A day back i was discussing these thoughts with a friend of mine and shesaid yes! the objective experiences from the view that we allare constructed in a similar fashion. All other nature is too constructedin some other fashion which is similar to their own specie. So that's whyobjective experiences. So the objective experiences are nothing but alimited view or they are true relative to this structure of nature whichitself is limited. The colour blind person sees the same colour in a different way. It's justa play of hardware.In the seminar Professor said that there was one Bishop in Berkely. Heonce asked a question "In a forest which is very far from here if a tree falls down will it makea sound ?" He has been saying this question many a times in this lecture series. Atfirst it sounded a bit absurd to me. Only when i applied the abovethoughts of the limited view of mind and body today that i realised. sound ? Does sound exist ?We think that yes it will make a sound for we have the experience that thefalling of tree at many a times make sound. So if the tree has fallen itwill make sound and if someone is there he will hear it for sure. What we fail to realise is its our ears that made it possible. No ears nosound. This whole world exists relative to this physical body.When Bishop was near his death he gave an answer to this question that only lord hears it. At present it is sounding bit absurd to me. professor said that to be scientific he will say "Universal Conciousness"instead of Lord.The phase of talk was in EPR ( Eienstien, i don't reember names of the two russian scientists ) paradox and the famous debate betweenEinstein and Bohr on " Relativity and Quantum Mechanics" which resultedin to EPR Paradox. The paradox got resolved when an great experiment was done in allsophistication. And it was found that information does travel at speedgreater than that of light.The final conclusion was that if a electron changes it's spin then someother electron which can be anywhere in the universe instantaneouslychanges its spin violating the limit of speed of light as if the electronsare concious of each other.He went on to say that isn't that something which happens in telepathy. In telpathy which has a higher incidence of being found in twins. I think i am not able to put to put the arguments in proper scientificsense and they seem to vast to write right now.

 

 

 

 

 

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