Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 > Tue, 30 May 2000 20:05:45 EDT > neopiligrim > Some questions > > Hi friends, > After a long lurk, I wish to ask a few questions to any of you who might know > the right answers. A couple of days ago, I got into an argument with a friend > from India regarding the origin of the Aryans. He told me about the things > taught in his school, college etc. But, being a serious Indologist, I know > for certain, if the Aryans emigrated from Central Asia, some traits must and > should have been left there...like the Vedes or Purans(sic), which is not the > case. So my doubts about this particular route of the Aryans. > Where does Sw.Vivekananda stand on this point? Could you please refer me to > the particular talk/words?? And what do Indians, in general, feel about the > origin of the Vedes or the other holy texts of Hinduism? And what has river > Saraswati to do with all these findings?? Where is this river now?? > -Neo > > Hello Neo, The teachings in the Indian school about this Aryan Invasion has to be changed, Today, after nearly all the reasons for its supposed validity have been refuted, even major Western scholars are at last beginning to call it in question. and it may be that Aryan Invasion is a mere myth than a actual fact. There are lot of research has gone in to this by Indian and Western scholars over the last decade and you can find excellent articals on this in the fallowing URL http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/veda.html by some of the current scholars like David Frawley, Rajaram etc. I am sure Sw.Vivekananda never beleived in this so called Aryan Invasion, He has said about this in a book by title " The East and The West " here is what he has said about this, " And what your European pandits say about the Aryan's swooping down from foreign land, snatching away the lands of the aborigines, and settling in India by exterminating them, are all pure nonsense, foolish talk! Strange, that our Indian Scholars, too, say amen to them; and all these monstrous lies are being tought to our boys! This is very bad indeed. I am an ignoramus myself; I do not pretend to any scholarship; but with the little that I understand, I strngly protested these ideas at the Paris Congress. I have been talking with the Indian and European Savants on the subject and hope to raise many objections to this theory in this detail, when time permits. And this I say to you, to our Pundits, also, -you are learned men, hunt up your old books and scriptures, please, and draw your own conclusions. Whenever the Europians find an apportunity, they exterminate the aborigines, and settle down in ease and comfort on their lands; and therefore they think, the Aryans must have done the same!! The Westerners would be considered wretched vagabonds if they lived if they lived in their native homes depending wholly on their own internal resources, and so they have to run wildly about the world seeking how they can feed upon the fat of the land of others, by spoliation and slaughter; - and therefore they conclude the aryansa must have done the same!! But where is your proof? - Guess-work? Then keep your fancifule guesses to yourself! In what Veda, in what Sukta do you find that the Aryans came into India from a foreign country? Where do get the idea that they slaughtered the Wild aborigines? What do you gain by talking such nonsense ? Vain has been your study of Ramayana; why manufature a big fine story out of it? " Look at this, Swamy has said this about 100 years back but the Schools in India still teach the same old stuff of Aryan Invasion, what a pity!! You can find about Sarasvathi in many websites and one of the URL is http://www.probys.com/sarasvati/ Sarvam vasudevamayam jagath Prashanth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Dear Sadananda, As a suggestion from my side. Dont waste ur time trying to prove the validity of a mantra and so on. V (V means all the followers of Vedanta) dont really need any scientific validation to understand the power of a mantra. It is beyond that. It has to be felt/experienced. The only purpose for u to chant the mantra is to increase ur love for God and to feel the prescence of God. If this is not ur objective then the very purpose of chanting fails. Regards, Kedar.S. >Tue, 30 May 2000 08:19:14 -0400 >K. Sadananda <sada >advaitin >advaitin > Interesting info that I came >across during the weaked > >I attended a conference of some like-minded people >this Saturday and Sunday. One Dr. Kidambi from >Toronto gave a short talk covering the glories of >Hinduism. One important information that he gave us >intrigued my mind. But the information presented >was insufficient for me to fully accept the >scientific validity of the facts. Of course, I have >no basis for rejecting the information either. But >I would like to share with you since I am very >pleasantly puzzled. Dr. Kidambi was on his way to >attend a yearly meeting on " Sanatana Dharma " in >Houston. He is giving a talk there along with David >Fraley? (I am not sure the spelling is correct). > >Here is the summary of the information he presented >using visual display in terms of vu-graphs of the >results he collected: > >Apparently this happened when Supercomputer >technology is becoming available in England - I >think it was in the University of Cambridge - But I >am not sure. One Indian computer specialist, >developed a program to recognize the sound Wave >patterns and a program that can project the >interference pattern arising from the sound waves. >(Sound waves like light waves can interfere with >each other resulting in interference pattern. This >pattern converted to visual image will look like >grid of fringes). > >In his experiments, the scientist got hold of >Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali recorded authentically >with proper intonations and He used that sound >pattern to see what kind of interference pattern it >would give rise to using his program. He had to use >the supercomputer to generate the pattern. The >results, as Dr. Kidambi projected on the screen, was >startling. I cannot describe that in words - but it >was not smeared diffuse pattern that result when we >play any record but was highly defined geometrical >grid pattern somewhat similar to what the Indian >ladies decoratively draw using while or color flour >in front of the house - we call in south as 'kolam'. > >The second feature of his work was related to >holographic three D- projection using these >interference pattern. He used this geometrical >picture that he got out of 'Lalita Sahasra >Naamavali' and generated a holographic image of >that. - The result was even more startling. It >resulted in the holographic image of a Goddess >looking like " Lalita' as pictured in the scriptures. > >I was told - When the news came out - the immediate >result was the scientist was kicked out of the >University in the pretext that he misused the >supercomputer (apparently it did utilize lot of >memory) and we donot know whereabouts of this >gentleman now. > >As usual I am very skeptical about these results, >but if this is really true, it is extremely profound >and startling. There have been always statements >from our masters that Vedas and the mantras have to >be properly pronounced with proper intonations and >sound has a profound effect. But if the above >results are really true, here is methodology that >utilizes the scientifically validatable tools that >can result in profound impact in terms of the >validity of our mantras and chantings that were >taught very methodically. > >Dr. Kidambi assured me that he is going to send me >all the information he has for me to look carefully. >- I would like to get to the facts in terms of how >much of this is really true - what exactly was done >in England and how much of it is sensational and >how much of these are facts and what is the degree >of reproducibility of the results. Even if >University of Cambridge or whatever tried to >suppress the results (with presumed fear that it >puts Hinduism in different lime light), why not the >methodology tried at other palaces - particularly >now when computer memory is cheap). > >But Dr. Kidambi presentation intrigued me and some >of you in the list may already be familiar with it. > If the results are true and reproducable then what >kind of patterns will results for other vedic and >pouranic chantings and mantras that have been handed >down through generations? These questions are >intriguing and worth exploring before accepting or >rejecting the results. If this is true then, I >would like explore if there are avenues available >to investigate further specificity, reproducability, >etc., of these claims. > >Hari Om! >Sadananda > > > >K. 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Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Dear Kedar, Knowledge is divine. After so much progress in the field of science people around the world have gained a blind faith for science. And its highly essential that this superstition be removed. There has been lot of progress in every branch of science. And with all these progress science and spirituality seem to stand wide apart. And all the spiritual practices have a reasoning behind them. if we don't keep that reasoning alive things become a tradition and much decays with time. And without spirituality science will be wandering like a random particle. Hence its very essential for good of both science and spirituality that both be understood very clearly. Research in to mantras... on one hand will give substantial support to spirituality and on the other hand many beneficial technologies and better understanding of many things will emerge out. And all this will help towards building a better society which will stand firm in life and spirituality. love On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 kedars wrote: > > Dear Sadananda, > As a suggestion from my side. Dont waste ur time trying to prove the validity > of a mantra and so on. > > V (V means all the followers of Vedanta) dont really need any scientific > validation to understand the power of a mantra. It is beyond that. It has to > be felt/experienced. > > The only purpose for u to chant the mantra is to increase ur love for God and > to feel the prescence of God. > > If this is not ur objective then the very purpose of chanting fails. > > Regards, > Kedar.S. > > >Tue, 30 May 2000 08:19:14 -0400 > >K. Sadananda <sada > >advaitin > >advaitin > > Interesting info that I came > >across during the weaked > > > >I attended a conference of some like-minded people > >this Saturday and Sunday. One Dr. Kidambi from > >Toronto gave a short talk covering the glories of > >Hinduism. One important information that he gave us > >intrigued my mind. But the information presented > >was insufficient for me to fully accept the > >scientific validity of the facts. Of course, I have > >no basis for rejecting the information either. But > >I would like to share with you since I am very > >pleasantly puzzled. Dr. Kidambi was on his way to > >attend a yearly meeting on " Sanatana Dharma " in > >Houston. He is giving a talk there along with David > >Fraley? (I am not sure the spelling is correct). > > > >Here is the summary of the information he presented > >using visual display in terms of vu-graphs of the > >results he collected: > > > >Apparently this happened when Supercomputer > >technology is becoming available in England - I > >think it was in the University of Cambridge - But I > >am not sure. One Indian computer specialist, > >developed a program to recognize the sound Wave > >patterns and a program that can project the > >interference pattern arising from the sound waves. > >(Sound waves like light waves can interfere with > >each other resulting in interference pattern. This > >pattern converted to visual image will look like > >grid of fringes). > > > >In his experiments, the scientist got hold of > >Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali recorded authentically > >with proper intonations and He used that sound > >pattern to see what kind of interference pattern it > >would give rise to using his program. He had to use > >the supercomputer to generate the pattern. The > >results, as Dr. Kidambi projected on the screen, was > >startling. I cannot describe that in words - but it > >was not smeared diffuse pattern that result when we > >play any record but was highly defined geometrical > >grid pattern somewhat similar to what the Indian > >ladies decoratively draw using while or color flour > >in front of the house - we call in south as 'kolam'. > > > >The second feature of his work was related to > >holographic three D- projection using these > >interference pattern. He used this geometrical > >picture that he got out of 'Lalita Sahasra > >Naamavali' and generated a holographic image of > >that. - The result was even more startling. It > >resulted in the holographic image of a Goddess > >looking like " Lalita' as pictured in the scriptures. > > > >I was told - When the news came out - the immediate > >result was the scientist was kicked out of the > >University in the pretext that he misused the > >supercomputer (apparently it did utilize lot of > >memory) and we donot know whereabouts of this > >gentleman now. > > > >As usual I am very skeptical about these results, > >but if this is really true, it is extremely profound > >and startling. There have been always statements > >from our masters that Vedas and the mantras have to > >be properly pronounced with proper intonations and > >sound has a profound effect. But if the above > >results are really true, here is methodology that > >utilizes the scientifically validatable tools that > >can result in profound impact in terms of the > >validity of our mantras and chantings that were > >taught very methodically. > > > >Dr. Kidambi assured me that he is going to send me > >all the information he has for me to look carefully. > >- I would like to get to the facts in terms of how > >much of this is really true - what exactly was done > >in England and how much of it is sensational and > >how much of these are facts and what is the degree > >of reproducibility of the results. Even if > >University of Cambridge or whatever tried to > >suppress the results (with presumed fear that it > >puts Hinduism in different lime light), why not the > >methodology tried at other palaces - particularly > >now when computer memory is cheap). > > > >But Dr. Kidambi presentation intrigued me and some > >of you in the list may already be familiar with it. > > If the results are true and reproducable then what > >kind of patterns will results for other vedic and > >pouranic chantings and mantras that have been handed > >down through generations? These questions are > >intriguing and worth exploring before accepting or > >rejecting the results. If this is true then, I > >would like explore if there are avenues available > >to investigate further specificity, reproducability, > >etc., of these claims. > > > >Hari Om! > >Sadananda > > > > > > > >K. 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