[ramakrishna] Gita Jayanti

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Dear Dr. Shah

 

I am curious about two aspects of your mail.You mention that Sri Krishna

delivered the Gita 3206 years ago. How did you get to this exact estimate?

 

I have an estimate of my own, but it is not backed by any astrological

observations in the Mahabharata or anything. I would like the list to

comment. Let me explain. It is the belief in my part of India (I have also

verified this with a few very learned Vedic scholars) that Kali Yuga began

when Sri Krishna gave up his body. Also, this is the 51st century of the

Kali Yuga, 5101 years to be precise. Please read the following extract from

The Vaishnava News Network www.vnn.com

 

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On the New Moon night at the end of Phalguna (February), in the year 3102

BC, all planets lined up in one direction on one side of the planet earth.

And on the other side over India, the dark planet Rahu hovered invisibly in

the night. This marked the close of the Dvapara Age and the beginning of the

Kali- yuga, the Age of Darkness.

 

A simple calculation tells us that this is Kali Y5100-- the turn of yet

another century in this ongoing dreadful age. In fact, this year March 18

(Chaitra sukla 1) marks the Fifty First Centennary Disappearance Anniversary

of Lord Sri Krishna and first day of the New Kali-yuga Year.

 

The Srimad Bhagavatam informs us: " Those who scientifically understand the

past declare that on the very day that Lord Sri Krsna departed for the

spiritual world, the influence of the age of Kali began. "

 

x---x---x

 

That was in 1999 and this year is 5101 in Kali-Yuga. Thus the Gita must be

delivered a few years (not sure how many) before Lord Krishna departed from

earth. Thus it is earlier than 3100 B.C.

 

 

Regarding your question about not existing after death, I wonder if I am

missing the subtlety in your question. As far as I can understand, the I

being referred to in Chapter 2, verse 12 is not the body/mind/ego complex as

we understand it. It is the same I that Sri Ramana Maharshi refers to in his

" Who am I? " self-enquiry method.

 

As Sri Ramana Maharshi told his famous disciple sri Ganapati Sastri, " When

you say I, look at the source from whence it comes. Then the mind merges

into it. This is tapas " . The fruition of this tapas, where the small I

exists no more is self-realisation. In this state god acts through the

saint's body as he has no personality or will of his own.

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi, when asked to cure the sarcoma of his arm by willing

so, said, " Yes. I have a body. This body has a disease and I must cure it by

willing so. But for all this where is the mind? "

 

This destruction of the ego/mind complex while yet alive in the body is

realisation. It happens naturally at death and samskaras which are yet to

fructify cause us assume yet other bodies.

 

Swami

 

 

>c s shah <drcssha

>Ramakrishna

> " Ramakrishna " <Ramakrishna >

>[ramakrishna] Gita Jayanti

>Thu, 07 Dec 2000 06:17:02 +0530

>

>Today is Gita Jayanti; 3206 years back Lord Krishna told the Gita to

>Arjuna:

>

>Trembling with nervousness and anxiety, unable to lift his mighty bow -

>Gandiva - he pleads to

>escape from the consequences of the war. His emotions of love for the

>near ones, his concepts

>of duty and Dharma, all appear to be confusing to himself. He is unable

>to determine the

>correct approach in this piquant situation of grave urgency and

>emergency. And as such, Arjuna

>lays down his arms to retire at the back of his chariot.

>

>He appeals to Sri Krishna, " O Keshava, even for sovereignty of the three

>worlds, I do not want to kill Kauravas and my relatives, though they may

>kill me. Then how can there be any desire for this kingdom on the

>earth? " (Chapter 1, verse 35

>

>Just when we would expect Sri Krishna to sympathize with Arjuna on his

>sorrowful state of mind full of " kindness and pity for others " , Lord

>Krishna knowingly laughs at the behaviour of Arjuna saying: " Arjuna, how

>has this infatuation overtaken you at this odd hour? Yield not to

>unmanliness, ill does it become to you. Shaking off this paltry

>faint-heartedness arise, O scorcher of your enemies. " (Ch. 2, verse 2,

>3)

>

>The reason why Sri Krishna tells Arjuna not to grieve for Kauravas is

>that no one can be killed, for everyone is immortal souls and not the

>body! The verse 12 says, " There was never a time when I was not or when

>you or these kings were not, nor is it a fact that hereafter we shall

>cease to be. " It is difficult to accept and understand this verse, for

>it seems very obvious that when I die I shall cease to be, I will be no

>more! But the Lord says 'you shall never die!' You are immortal. How to

>reconcile these two opposing interpretations?

>

>c s shah

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