Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Shanti Jay, Thank you for sharing your experience. Tell it like it is! There are what we call "miracles" we just don't rely on them in the normal course of our spiritual practices. With Devotion, Stanford B. Silverman Devotee of Ramakrishna Vivekananda Center-NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Dear Jay, Miracles are used as an effective tool to bring out change from the Rajasic and Tamasic predominent doers. With out a jolt they can't accept the higher reality of life. Rajayoga is taught by Patanjali to achieve the very same result. Rajayoga, Tantra and Vedamantras --- they all deal with the subject of miracles. The greatest miracle maker is God. There is nobody who could do the God's miracles! God can put life in to the very same earth where we are walking on. He can make a man out of mud, an animal and put wonderful life in to it. But unfortunately not all souls could recognize the God's miracle hand behind this universe. Many people who walk on this earth are instant result mongers! For example, a person broke his leg. He goes to see a Doctor in order to get healed. Since his pain is immense he wants an immediate solution. So the Doctor offers him anesthetic. The pain is gone, but is that really gone! No! It is gone temporarily. And while the anesthetic is working, the doctor will work on setting the broken leg straight. Apply the same example in our lives. Not all people are blessed with answers for life. Not all are blessed with what is really required to live a real life. The essential thing which is required to walk on this earth is to be " fear less " . One has to be a Dhira. But not all are Dhiras. Many people get shaken away when confronted with the darkest situations. When they fall in to a situation, they feel it is the end of their world. What they require is really knowledge --- the knowledge of higher life, the " Karma Siddhanta " . But then --- can you teach somebody who is in a dire situation " karma siddhanta " ? The question is will he be really satisfied with it? When a person is hungry, you can't teach philosophy to him, first satisfy his hunger and teach him how to earn daily bread. This is why our Seers have given miracle powers hidden through Vedamantras, Rajayoga and Tantra. I see Sri Ramakrishna's miracle, Swamy Vivekananda's miracles behind all this great establishment. Which is relentlessly serving millions of hungry people, millions of destitute. If it were not the miracle of Sri Ramakrishna, Saradamata and Swamy Vivekananda and all these great monks belong to Ramakrisha order, then we wouldn't be here at all. This is also a miracle. The lord said in BhagawadGita that his miracles are thousand fold! Not all realized masters employ miracles as effective tools. Especially in Kaliyuga when there are more charlatans than the real people, it is better not to use miracles. Because one really doesn't know who is who. If you see a master performing miracles, then see what exactly he is gaining behind showing those miracles. If he is amassing wealth in his personal bank vault then he is a charlatan. Because Seers have explicitly forbidden using miracle powers for personal gains. Those who tread the true Hindu path, though capable of performing miracles, will never gain anything out of it, except doing some good which is possible to them. I have seen people who are still living in India, who are capable of performing miracles, who never come out to public only because they do not want to gain anything personal out of it. Miracles are a part of Hindu evolution system. Those who are evolved, who are predominant satvic, they will know the truth of life. They are rationalists. They think beyond where most people stop thinking. So for them Miracles are not required. But for others it is required. Hindu System caters everybody's need. It doesn't exclude any living being out of its fold, including animals. Yours questions and comments are most welcome. I remain yours, Madhava > > Vivekananda Centre [vivekananda] > Saturday, January 06, 2001 3:38 AM > list > [ramakrishna] Miracles > > > Let me share my personal experience with you. > > I have been doing a series of talks on Hinduism at > Brent Town Hall in London. > > The talks are meant to be an introduction to Hinduism. > The questions and answers that follow show up the > real concerns of the audience. > > Today the questions were on the role of > miracles. (and Sai baba) > > I had to clarify that I come from a tradition that does not wish > to disturb the faith of any group of people (however crude > or uneducated I feel their pathway may be). > > But then I also come from the Vivekananda tradition and > so I have to state quite clearly - that if anyone asks you to > suspend your rational faculty for the sake of religion - then > discard that person or that pathway as once you sacrifice > your rationality your backbone is broken; you turn into a > jellyfish - what good is your God then? > Even if you stand in front of him you will only shudder > like a jellyfish - a mere zombie, you will not be able to > make sense of your God either! > > The question and answer session created a bit of a stir.... > I do not know if I have done right in being so outspoken - but > I rely on the 'old man' to guide me at all such meetings. > > hari.. hari.....I hope I have not done any unwanted damage... > > jay > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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