Prayer and Divine Will : Tough thing to reconcile HELP!

[Guest guest]

Can any one solve this problem:

When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I know all is God's Will

and the world goes on as He wishes then how come he will listen to my

prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not praying matters little!!

Can I have the opinions of the members?

[Guest guest]

Thank you friends for helping with your views but still i see a

paradox. If I pray it is also His wish that I do so and if I ask then

by his wish I ask. So in the end what ever I did was his wish. Where

did my wish come in. I mean even my thought was his wish. So it ends

every thing is his wish none mine. This probably is Saranagati.

 

 

Ramakrishna, " Arghya " <arghyajyoti> wrote:

> Can any one solve this problem:

> When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I know all is God's Will

> and the world goes on as He wishes then how come he will listen to

my

> prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not praying matters little!!

> Can I have the opinions of the members?

[Guest guest]

Ramakrishna,

>

> --- Arghya <arghyajyoti> wrote:

> > Can any one solve this problem:

> > When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I know

> > all is God's Will

> > and the world goes on as He wishes then how come he

> > will listen to my

> > prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not praying

> > matters little!!

> > Can I have the opinions of the members?

Om Namah Sri Bhagavane Ramakrsnaya Namo Namah!

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaste dear One!!

 

the question is flawed because of not understanding what " real " prayer

is about...if we just prattle onward to the Divine asking for our

little " wishes " and " desires " ...we may get them or not, as you

say...but IS that why we should pray???

 

What do we call prayer???

 

Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna had a very simple prayer to His Beloved Divine

Mother....He knew what was important and what was dross...and He told

us thru His Gospel....many times!!!

 

Bhagavan said that He used to pray alone to Divine Mother in this

way... " Oh my Divine Mother, i offer you pain and pleasure...i do not

need them they are yours...and in return O My Mother, please grant

this child of Yours, Pure Love of Thy Lotus Feet. "

(and then He continued on down thru the list of opposites, until He

came to Truth and untruth...which He would NOT offer, as He felt that

Truth was the highest...

 

This is a very good kind of prayer and will as one of the previous

folks said, raise the sail such that the wind of Divine Grace will

blow your boat across this vast ocean of delusions to that Other

Shore, where the Mother lives...in Her Palace of Jewels, the Sri

Cakra..

 

Any selfish, personal prayer MAY answered but you may wish it

hadn't...and often it doesn't get answered because this is not the

Mother's will....

 

so when we pray and feel unheard, perhaps we are not offering the

kinds of prayers which CAN be heard...or SHOULD be heard....as long as

we are not Saints, we should be praying for Divine Love of the Lotus

Feet of the Beloved Deity, Whomever might be.

 

my Amma also suggested that we should pray to the Divine asking:

" Oh my Divine Mother, please Shower Your Grace upon this little child

that he might live entirely according to Thy will alone! "

 

this is the kind of prayer which the Mahatmas suggest...

this is the kind of prayer which i would suggest also...and the kind

of prayers which i offer to my Beloved Divine Mother!

 

In the Divine Mother's Love,

and in Her Service

as ever,

your own self,

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

[Guest guest]

My question arises before prayer and does not encompass what will be

in the prayer

The answer to the question lies in Saranagati according to me. This

is in looking at the challange from the Jana yoga aspect. Remember

all solutions differ according to the yoga path an aspirant takes.

Though in the end all parameters achieved is the same, whatever be

the way we describe it while we tred along. Once we reach it is the

same spot.

 

 

Ramakrishna, kasi_visvanath wrote:

> Ramakrishna,

> >

> > --- Arghya <arghyajyoti> wrote:

> > > Can any one solve this problem:

> > > When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I know

> > > all is God's Will

> > > and the world goes on as He wishes then how come he

> > > will listen to my

> > > prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not praying

> > > matters little!!

> > > Can I have the opinions of the members?

> Om Namah Sri Bhagavane Ramakrsnaya Namo Namah!

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

>

> Namaste dear One!!

>

> the question is flawed because of not understanding what " real "

prayer

> is about...if we just prattle onward to the Divine asking for our

> little " wishes " and " desires " ...we may get them or not, as you

> say...but IS that why we should pray???

>

> What do we call prayer???

>

> Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna had a very simple prayer to His Beloved

Divine

> Mother....He knew what was important and what was dross...and He

told

> us thru His Gospel....many times!!!

>

> Bhagavan said that He used to pray alone to Divine Mother in this

> way... " Oh my Divine Mother, i offer you pain and pleasure...i do

not

> need them they are yours...and in return O My Mother, please grant

> this child of Yours, Pure Love of Thy Lotus Feet. "

> (and then He continued on down thru the list of opposites, until

He

> came to Truth and untruth...which He would NOT offer, as He felt

that

> Truth was the highest...

>

> This is a very good kind of prayer and will as one of the previous

> folks said, raise the sail such that the wind of Divine Grace will

> blow your boat across this vast ocean of delusions to that Other

> Shore, where the Mother lives...in Her Palace of Jewels, the Sri

> Cakra..

>

> Any selfish, personal prayer MAY answered but you may wish it

> hadn't...and often it doesn't get answered because this is not the

> Mother's will....

>

> so when we pray and feel unheard, perhaps we are not offering the

> kinds of prayers which CAN be heard...or SHOULD be heard....as long

as

> we are not Saints, we should be praying for Divine Love of the

Lotus

> Feet of the Beloved Deity, Whomever might be.

>

> my Amma also suggested that we should pray to the Divine asking:

> " Oh my Divine Mother, please Shower Your Grace upon this little

child

> that he might live entirely according to Thy will alone! "

>

> this is the kind of prayer which the Mahatmas suggest...

> this is the kind of prayer which i would suggest also...and the

kind

> of prayers which i offer to my Beloved Divine Mother!

>

> In the Divine Mother's Love,

> and in Her Service

> as ever,

> your own self,

>

> visvanathan

>

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!