Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 Playing is fun when everyone participates. > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 23 May 2001 09:13:13 +0530 > " Debajit Das " <debajit> > Re: Prayer and Divine Will : Tough thing to reconcile HELP! > > The will of God is dynamic and conscious and not a static one. Therefore, he responds to our prayers and also makes changes in His Cosmic plans to suit our prayers. > > Regards, > Debajit > > -- > > On Tue, 22 May 2001 12:36:41 > Arghya wrote: > >Can any one solve this problem: > >When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I know all is God's Will > >and the world goes on as He wishes then how come he will listen to my > >prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not praying matters little!! > >Can I have the opinions of the members? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 Bravo, Jay, another worthy presentation! (It would be interesting to hear the questions you receive at your talks.) I like to view God as a " Scientist. " When His actions within creation can be understood, explained or verified by the human mind we call this physical science. When they cannot be understood, explained or verified (i.e., " miracles, " such as the " mutation " of genes that result in life, responses to prayer, the experience of samadhi/rapture, etc.), we may refer to this as " spiritual science. " In either case, everything within creation is born of and directed by Divine Intelligence or Consciousness, rather than by " randomicity. " I guess my main point is that we should not turn the gift of human consciousness away from Truth for the sake of religion, e.g., denying radio-carbon dating in order to make the allegorical story of creation in Genesis a literal description of the event. Nor, should we turn away from Truth for the sake of science, i.e., denying the glory of God's grace at work in creation in the vain pursuit of seeking physical answers to spiritual processes. In summary, contrary to the belief that science and religion are incompatible, they are two aspects of the same reality - and should be explored on that basis. Bradley Dean Stephan www.watchfulness.net Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna > Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna > Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:05 AM [ramakrishna] Digest Number 792 >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk >------ > >There are 5 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Prayer and Divine Will : Tough thing to reconcile HELP! > " Debajit Das " <debajit> > 2. Re: Mail from GOD > Satya <fxcube > 3. VML-5/23/01 > ananta <sarada > 4. Evolution > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > 5. Vedic Verse > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Wed, 23 May 2001 09:13:13 +0530 > " Debajit Das " <debajit> >Re: Prayer and Divine Will : Tough thing to reconcile HELP! > >The will of God is dynamic and conscious and not a static one. Therefore, he responds to our prayers and also makes changes in His Cosmic plans to suit our prayers. > >Regards, >Debajit > >-- > >On Tue, 22 May 2001 12:36:41 > Arghya wrote: >>Can any one solve this problem: >>When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I know all is God's Will >>and the world goes on as He wishes then how come he will listen to my >>prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not praying matters little!! >>Can I have the opinions of the members? >> >> >> > > >Get 250 color business cards for FREE! >http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Wed, 23 May 2001 06:24:16 +0100 (BST) > Satya <fxcube >Re: Mail from GOD > >dear himanshu, >hope you are fine with all the blessings of the >godfather. thanx for the sweet message and may god be >with you always. >regards >satya >--- himanshu pande <him_pande wrote: ><HR> ><html><body> ><tt> >Dear Satya,<BR> >>From the core of my heart i am thanking you for >sending us such a beautiful description of the >unalloyed love of 'GOD'.<BR> >Hope we all understand some day that he also craves >for few minutes of ours.<BR> >Regards<BR> >Himanshu Pande & nbsp; <BR> >--<BR> ><BR> >On Tue, 22 May 2001 05:19:50 & nbsp; <BR> > Satya wrote:<BR> > & gt;Hi,<BR> > & gt;As you got up this morning, i watched you and >hoped<BR> > & gt;you would talk to <BR> > & gt;me and, even if it was just a few words, asking >my<BR> > & gt;opinion or thanking <BR> > & gt;me for something good that happened in your >life<BR> > & gt;yesterday-but i noticed <BR> > & gt;you were busy trying to find the right outfit to >put<BR> > & gt;on and go to work.<BR> > & gt;I waited again. when you ran around the house >getting<BR> > & gt;ready i knew <BR> > & gt;there would be a few minutes for you to stop and >say<BR> > & gt;hello, but you were <BR> > & gt;too busy. at one point you had to wait for 15 >minutes<BR> > & gt;nothing to do <BR> > & gt;except sit in chair. then i saw you spring to >your<BR> > & gt;feet. i thoughtyou wanted <BR> > & gt;to talk to me but you ran to the phone and called >a<BR> > & gt;friend to get the <BR> > & gt;latest gossip.<BR> > & gt;i watched as you went to work and i waited >patiently<BR> > & gt;all day long. with <BR> > & gt;all your activities i guess you were too busy to >say<BR> > & gt;anything to me. i <BR> > & gt;noticed that before lunch you looked around, may >be<BR> > & gt;you felt embarassed <BR> > & gt;to talk to me, tht is why you didn't bow u r head. >you<BR> > & gt;glanced three or <BR> > & gt;four tables over and noticed some friends talking >to<BR> > & gt;me briefly before <BR> > & gt;they ate, but you didn't. that's okay. there was >still<BR> > & gt;more time left,<BR> > & gt;and i had hope that you would talk to me, yet you >went<BR> > & gt;home and it <BR> > & gt;seemed that you had lots of things to do.<BR> > & gt;after few of them were done yoy turned the TV, i >donno<BR> > & gt;if you liked TV <BR> > & gt;or not, just about anything goes there and you >spent a<BR> > & gt;lot of time each <BR> > & gt;day in front of it, not htinking about >anything<BR> > & gt;else-just enjoying the <BR> > & gt;show.i waited patiently again as you watched the >TV<BR> > & gt;and ate your meal <BR> > & gt;but again you didn't talk to me. Bedtime...i guess >you<BR> > & gt;felt too tired. <BR> > & gt;after you said goodnight to your family you >plopped<BR> > & gt;bed and fell asleep <BR> > & gt;in no time. That's okay because you may not >realise<BR> > & gt;that i am always <BR> > & gt;here for you. I have got patience more than you >will<BR> > & gt;ever know.<BR> > & gt;i love you so much that i wait everydayfor a >nod,<BR> > & gt;prayer or thought or <BR> > & gt;a thankful part of your heart. it is hard to have >a<BR> > & gt;one-sided <BR> > & gt;conversation. well you are getting up again and >once<BR> > & gt;again i will wait with <BR> > & gt;nothing but love for you hoping that today you >will<BR> > & gt;give me sometime. Have <BR> > & gt;a nice day!<BR> > & gt;Your father and friend<BR> > & gt;God<BR> > & gt;<BR> > & gt;<BR> > & gt;__________<BR> > & gt;<BR> > & gt;For regular News updates go to <a >href= " http://in.news. 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