[ramakrishna] Prayer and Divine Will : Tough thing to reconcile HELP!

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Hi, I myself have wondered about this issue for a long time and have come up with some answers. I am a cancer doctor and many a time patients want, to pray for their health ,life and others to to do the same for them. And there are similar examples in other walks of life. I have often wondered if heart felt prayers could change things then a mother may never lose her child to sickness or accidents or violence, because I think it will be hard to match the intensity of a mothers prayer to GOD for her child safety, health and life. But it does not happen. I am sure the jews in concentration camp prayed as intensely as possible for any human being, but they did die. I think GOD has different ideas of what kind of prayer He will listen to what He won.t, just like parents set rules for their kids.

If every thing happens according to God's will and and they are all fixed , then there is no " free will", there is no "karma", there is no good or evil, there is no responsibility. But that is not so. It all depends on what we are praying for and why.The adversities of life and weanesses of self are the hurdles we are supposed to overcome. I f we simply ask Him to remove them for us withot us doing anything, it will be like asking our teacher, not to ask any difficult question in the class or solving the problem for us. I am sure our teacher will be willing to guide us if we ask him. We can surely pray for His help but we have to do the action. We can ask for the strength to go thru a difficult or painfull situation. wisdom when confused, guidence to go thru somethig or how to achieve a goal( reasonable) and I am sure we will

receive it. You can pray for Nirvashna and depending on the genuinity of your prayer you will know what to do to overcome your lust or He might remove it if the prayer is really a sincere one. Many alcoholics will vouch to this as the they lose their obscession for alcohol thru prayer to the Higher power( The twelve steps of AA). Prayer, for personal spiritual growth, is always answered but not the ones for material. Praying for others help. They are doing some studies where patients immune systems have shown changes when people have prayed for them. Well I don't know if I helped you or not but it helped me to go thru my understanding.

May God bless you( and He just might)

 

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Dear Friend-

 

Ramana Maharishi would say:

 

" Who is praying? Who thinks they need help? Who thinks

they are not realized? " When you find the answer, the

question will disappear....

 

The Bible says " Be still and know that I am God. "

There's nothing else to do. Keep the mind calm and

quiet- then all your questions and prayers will fall

away.....

 

 

--- Arghya <arghyajyoti wrote:

> My question arises before prayer and does not

> encompass what will be

> in the prayer

> The answer to the question lies in Saranagati

> according to me. This

> is in looking at the challange from the Jana yoga

> aspect. Remember

> all solutions differ according to the yoga path an

> aspirant takes.

> Though in the end all parameters achieved is the

> same, whatever be

> the way we describe it while we tred along. Once we

> reach it is the

> same spot.

>

>

> Ramakrishna, kasi_visvanath wrote:

> > Ramakrishna,

> > >

> > > --- Arghya <arghyajyoti> wrote:

> > > > Can any one solve this problem:

> > > > When I pray I ask for, say, Nirvasana. But I

> know

> > > > all is God's Will

> > > > and the world goes on as He wishes then how

> come he

> > > > will listen to my

> > > > prayer and grant my wish. So praying or not

> praying

> > > > matters little!!

> > > > Can I have the opinions of the members?

> > Om Namah Sri Bhagavane Ramakrsnaya Namo Namah!

> > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

> >

> > Namaste dear One!!

> >

> > the question is flawed because of not

> understanding what " real "

> prayer

> > is about...if we just prattle onward to the Divine

> asking for our

> > little " wishes " and " desires " ...we may get them or

> not, as you

> > say...but IS that why we should pray???

> >

> > What do we call prayer???

> >

> > Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna had a very simple prayer to

> His Beloved

> Divine

> > Mother....He knew what was important and what was

> dross...and He

> told

> > us thru His Gospel....many times!!!

> >

> > Bhagavan said that He used to pray alone to Divine

> Mother in this

> > way... " Oh my Divine Mother, i offer you pain and

> pleasure...i do

> not

> > need them they are yours...and in return O My

> Mother, please grant

> > this child of Yours, Pure Love of Thy Lotus

> Feet. "

> > (and then He continued on down thru the list of

> opposites, until

> He

> > came to Truth and untruth...which He would NOT

> offer, as He felt

> that

> > Truth was the highest...

> >

> > This is a very good kind of prayer and will as one

> of the previous

> > folks said, raise the sail such that the wind of

> Divine Grace will

> > blow your boat across this vast ocean of delusions

> to that Other

> > Shore, where the Mother lives...in Her Palace of

> Jewels, the Sri

> > Cakra..

> >

> > Any selfish, personal prayer MAY answered but you

> may wish it

> > hadn't...and often it doesn't get answered because

> this is not the

> > Mother's will....

> >

> > so when we pray and feel unheard, perhaps we are

> not offering the

> > kinds of prayers which CAN be heard...or SHOULD be

> heard....as long

> as

> > we are not Saints, we should be praying for Divine

> Love of the

> Lotus

> > Feet of the Beloved Deity, Whomever might be.

> >

> > my Amma also suggested that we should pray to the

> Divine asking:

> > " Oh my Divine Mother, please Shower Your Grace

> upon this little

> child

> > that he might live entirely according to Thy will

> alone! "

> >

> > this is the kind of prayer which the Mahatmas

> suggest...

> > this is the kind of prayer which i would suggest

> also...and the

> kind

> > of prayers which i offer to my Beloved Divine

> Mother!

> >

> > In the Divine Mother's Love,

> > and in Her Service

> > as ever,

> > your own self,

> >

> > visvanathan

> >

> > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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