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" Udaya Shankar " <dakshinesha

<Ramakrishna >

Tuesday, August 07, 2001 06:07

Re: [ramakrishna] VML-8/6/01

 

 

> Well, there arise a question here: How can one love

> Him about whom nothing is known? All our love depends

> on some knowledge about the object of the loved. How

> can one love Him then? Some says, " when there's

> no-mind, i.e., after transcending all the senses

> including mind He is to be known " . But atleast a

> little faith in Him is needed in order to strive for

> this transcendence. But to have faith in Him about

> whom we know nothing is quite difficult. I think it's

> extremely difficult to discuss this issue of

> self-effort and His grace. May He grant this

> understanding.

> Any other views??

>

>

>

> --- ananta <sarada wrote:

> > Thus sang the Rishis of the Veda. And how to worship

> > Him? Through

> > love. " He is to be worshiped as the one beloved,

> > dearer than

> > everything in this and the next life. "

 

 

Dear Uday

 

You have raised a very interesting point. There has always been

a difficult dialogue on this issue.....

 

The Kathopanishad says - " He reveals Himself to the one He chooses. "

So how can we be the chosen one? How can there be partiality?

 

Such paradoxes will continue to exist - the reason is that the

foundation of our being is based on ' that which is neither real nor unreal'

This is the reason why there is no easy resolution.

 

The nearest we can get to this idea of God - is to get hold of a God-man.

It is by linking to one or other God-man we hope to enforce our

'demand' for grace......

 

jay

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To this context, I would like to add what Swamiji says that " love is

always a manifestation of bliss " . As Swamiji says an atheist is a one

who does not belief in himself, because we are all divine. So if one

has faith on one Self, he has faith in Him as well.

I would like to end with this message of Swami Vivekananda " ...He

whom the sages have sought in all these places, is in our own hearts.

Thou art He, O man! Thou art He! "

I am too a learner in spiritual life, please forgive me for my poor

explanation.

 

In the name of Holy Mother

Sukanya

Ramakrishna, " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda@b...>

wrote:

>

> -

> " Udaya Shankar " <dakshinesha>

> <Ramakrishna>

> Tuesday, August 07, 2001 06:07

> Re: [ramakrishna] VML-8/6/01

>

>

> > Well, there arise a question here: How can one love

> > Him about whom nothing is known? All our love depends

> > on some knowledge about the object of the loved. How

> > can one love Him then? Some says, " when there's

> > no-mind, i.e., after transcending all the senses

> > including mind He is to be known " . But atleast a

> > little faith in Him is needed in order to strive for

> > this transcendence. But to have faith in Him about

> > whom we know nothing is quite difficult. I think it's

> > extremely difficult to discuss this issue of

> > self-effort and His grace. May He grant this

> > understanding.

> > Any other views??

> >

> >

> >

> > --- ananta <sarada@g...> wrote:

> > > Thus sang the Rishis of the Veda. And how to worship

> > > Him? Through

> > > love. " He is to be worshiped as the one beloved,

> > > dearer than

> > > everything in this and the next life. "

>

>

> Dear Uday

>

> You have raised a very interesting point. There has always been

> a difficult dialogue on this issue.....

>

> The Kathopanishad says - " He reveals Himself to the one He chooses. "

> So how can we be the chosen one? How can there be partiality?

>

> Such paradoxes will continue to exist - the reason is that the

> foundation of our being is based on ' that which is neither real

nor unreal'

> This is the reason why there is no easy resolution.

>

> The nearest we can get to this idea of God - is to get hold of a

God-man.

> It is by linking to one or other God-man we hope to enforce our

> 'demand' for grace......

>

> jay

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