Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 It seems that since brahminism provided the spiritual leadership with it scholarly, sane and forward looking, the society was doing well at the time when the Greek historian wrote. It was exactly this leadership of the society that was targeted by the Moghuls the conquerers. (Technique:Defeat the warriors in the society first, take control and then castigate the spiritual leadership to subjugate the society for ever) This was quite natural since the brahminical spiritual leadership could have posed a threat to the rulers. Brahminical spiritual leadership had the understanding of what games are being played and how to counter those games. If society can be purged of this leadership then that society can be subjugated-plain and simple. This is what the Moghuls did (destroy temples and thus remove the point of congregation), this is what the British did (give support to masses to revolt against brahminical order under the guise of social reform), this is what the communists do (target the intelligensia, the rest can be manipulated easily) and this is what the Congress did (target brahmins). The surest way to do that is to inject the masses with anti-brahminical virus (through false propoganda) and it spreads automatically. Look what is happening in India today. Milind ananta [sarada] Tuesday, 25 September 2001 3:23 PM Recipient List Suppressed [sri Ramakrishna] VML-9/25/01 But at the same time, Brahminism lost something - that reforming zeal, that wonderful sympathy and charity for everybody, that wonderful leaven which Buddhism had brought to the masses and which had rendered Indian society so great that a Greek historian who wrote about India of that time was led to say that no Hindu was known to tell untruth and no Hindu woman was known to be unchaste. Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.vivekananda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2001 Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 Brahmins are not only being done in by outside forces or political manipulation. Some of it is their own doing. When people quote scriptures without realization, practice empty rituals, and denigrate other people because of caste and arrogance, they are sowing the seeds for their own downfall. This was occuring at the time of Buddha. Buddha was really just a great reformer- but eventually his message fell on deaf ears in India. Sri Ramakrishna recognized this when he said " I look on pundits with only book learning as mere straw. " --- " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS wrote: > It seems that since brahminism provided the > spiritual leadership with it > scholarly, sane and forward looking, the society was > doing well at the time > when the Greek historian wrote. It was exactly this > leadership of the > society that was targeted by the Moghuls the > conquerers. (Technique:Defeat > the warriors in the society first, take control and > then castigate the > spiritual leadership to subjugate the society for > ever) This was quite > natural since the brahminical spiritual leadership > could have posed a threat > to the rulers. Brahminical spiritual leadership had > the understanding of > what games are being played and how to counter those > games. If society can > be purged of this leadership then that society can > be subjugated-plain and > simple. This is what the Moghuls did (destroy > temples and thus remove the > point of congregation), this is what the British did > (give support to masses > to revolt against brahminical order under the guise > of social reform), this > is what the communists do (target the intelligensia, > the rest can be > manipulated easily) and this is what the Congress > did (target brahmins). > The surest way to do that is to inject the masses > with anti-brahminical > virus (through false propoganda) and it spreads > automatically. Look what is > happening in India today. > Milind > > > ananta [sarada] > Tuesday, 25 September 2001 3:23 PM > Recipient List Suppressed > [sri Ramakrishna] VML-9/25/01 > > > But at the same time, Brahminism lost something - > that reforming > zeal, that wonderful sympathy and charity for > everybody, that > wonderful leaven which Buddhism had brought to the > masses and which > had rendered Indian society so great that a Greek > historian who wrote > about India of that time was led to say that no > Hindu was known to > tell untruth and no Hindu woman was known to be > unchaste. > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2001 Report Share Posted September 27, 2001 1. When people quote scriptures without realization, One who realises scriptures becomes dumb said Ramakrishna. It is like a doll of salt that went to measure depths of sea. brahmins were teachers and quoted scriptures just as you and me quote books on physics without doing each and every experiment ourselves. 2. practice empty rituals, Rituals were an essential part of the vedas and brahmins were teaching what the vedas told a teacher to teach. 3. and denigrate other people because of caste and arrogance, some brahmins did that it is true but some brahmins also revolted against this. what about those brahmins who joined hands to eradicate caste system and provided leadership for that in the past In particular in Maharashtra. What about present day brahmins like Pandurang sastri Athavale whose Swadhyaya parivar has become a great movement through out Gujarat and rest of India and even in some Islamic countries. Though a brahmin he strated his work among the fisherman community and continues to do it. What about baba Amte's work for leprosy brought him the Magsasy Award, what about Mrs Lavate of Pune who worked to educate the children of prostitutes, what about the work of Vijay maharaj of Vivekanand kendra in Assam among the tribals despite attempts on his life, to quote a few and many many others. We even don't know this. Because the propoganda is so effective and strong. Also leaving aside brahmins, are the Thakurs treating ahirs equally without arrogance? are ahirs treating mallahs without arrogance? are chaste maratha's treating kunabis without arrogance? 4. This was occuring at the time of Buddha. And yet accusing finger is towards the brahmins today!!! 5. Sri Ramakrishna recognized this when he said " I look on pundits with only book learning as mere straw. Thakur was encouraging pundits not to stop at that stage (of book learning) and go beyond. Milind R D [jaguarxox] Thursday, 27 September 2001 11:41 PM Ramakrishna RE: [sri Ramakrishna] VML-9/25/01 Brahmins are not only being done in by outside forces or political manipulation. Some of it is their own doing. When people quote scriptures without realization, practice empty rituals, and denigrate other people because of caste and arrogance, they are sowing the seeds for their own downfall. This was occuring at the time of Buddha. Buddha was really just a great reformer- but eventually his message fell on deaf ears in India. Sri Ramakrishna recognized this when he said " I look on pundits with only book learning as mere straw. " --- " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS wrote: > It seems that since brahminism provided the > spiritual leadership with it > scholarly, sane and forward looking, the society was > doing well at the time > when the Greek historian wrote. It was exactly this > leadership of the > society that was targeted by the Moghuls the > conquerers. (Technique:Defeat > the warriors in the society first, take control and > then castigate the > spiritual leadership to subjugate the society for > ever) This was quite > natural since the brahminical spiritual leadership > could have posed a threat > to the rulers. Brahminical spiritual leadership had > the understanding of > what games are being played and how to counter those > games. If society can > be purged of this leadership then that society can > be subjugated-plain and > simple. This is what the Moghuls did (destroy > temples and thus remove the > point of congregation), this is what the British did > (give support to masses > to revolt against brahminical order under the guise > of social reform), this > is what the communists do (target the intelligensia, > the rest can be > manipulated easily) and this is what the Congress > did (target brahmins). > The surest way to do that is to inject the masses > with anti-brahminical > virus (through false propoganda) and it spreads > automatically. Look what is > happening in India today. > Milind > > > ananta [sarada] > Tuesday, 25 September 2001 3:23 PM > Recipient List Suppressed > [sri Ramakrishna] VML-9/25/01 > > > But at the same time, Brahminism lost something - > that reforming > zeal, that wonderful sympathy and charity for > everybody, that > wonderful leaven which Buddhism had brought to the > masses and which > had rendered Indian society so great that a Greek > historian who wrote > about India of that time was led to say that no > Hindu was known to > tell untruth and no Hindu woman was known to be > unchaste. > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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