Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Srinivas My understanding of the issue is as under: As a matter of fact, dualism and non-dualism are not different but the same. Dualism is at a lower plane or level and non-dualism is at a higher level (no superiority of one over the other intended). Both are floors of the same building or probably two rooms in the same house. In one room, (dualism) you have the image of God, you worship, you sing bhajans etc. In the other, there is nothing except you sitting in deep meditation trying to realise that God and you are one (non-dualism). Dualism is Bhakti Marg. Dualism can appeal to masses since it is easy to comprehend. All Bhakti margies imply dualism where God is different than you and needs to be worshiped etc etc. Krishna consciousness does not mean 'according to will of God' but in the consciousness or illumination/light that Krishna naturally emits. Non-dualism is Jnana Marg. The way of Knowledge. It requires a sound reasoning and understanding of scientific method and can appeal to rational beings. It could be a bit confusing in the beginning to know that dualism and non-dualism are basically the same. THe latter is more at an abstract level. SImilar confusion can initially arise when in the Gita, Krishna says Karma and Akarma are the same thing. But with a careful thought one will easily realise that it is very correct and karma and Akarma are actually the same thing. To avoid confusion, I would suggest you read Gita by Gita Press Gorakhpur or better still Talks on Gita by Vinoba. However, if you want an intellectual challenge , the best recourse is Lokmanya Tilak's Gita Rahasya. Hope this helps Dr Milind Sathye School of Accounting, Banking and Finance University of Canberra, Canberra, ACT 2601, Australia Telephone: 6+ 2+ 6201 5489 Fax: 61+ 2+ 6201 5238 AND Adjunct Professor, Graduate College of Management, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW chaganti srinivas [cnu_ind] Sunday, 11 November 2001 12:09 AM Ramakrishna [sri Ramakrishna] Doubt !!! Hi all off late I ve been reading Bhagwat Gita published by the ISKCON society....there it has been repeatedly emphasized that The Gods soul(Lord Krishna) and human souls are eternally different and can never be the same but they do have an eternal relationship with each other and one who works in Krishna consciousness (according to the will of God) can only be saved ......doesn't this contradict the advaita philosophy which doesn't preach dualism .....which says this whole universe is ONE manifested in different forms.. ?? I feel These two philosophies are mutually exclusive....i mean how can be believe dualism as well as non dualism ?? ...at a give point of time only one can be true !!! ....but i dont know which one ?? Somehow i find Advaitism more convincing. I would love to know the lists view on this aspect. regards srinivas chaganti Find a job, post your resume. http://careers. Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.vivekananda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Srinivas- Please avoid " The Bhagavad Gita: As It Is " . It will only create confusion. It is written from a fanatical dualistic perspective which doesn't recognize Advaita, or nondualism, as the foundation of all religions. It only presents a warped Vaishnava interpretation- which is contrary to the all-encompassing, all-embracing teachings of Sri Ramakrishna and Swamiji. Peace- RD --- " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS wrote: > Srinivas > > My understanding of the issue is as under: > As a matter of fact, dualism and non-dualism are not > different but the same. > Dualism is at a lower plane or level and non-dualism > is at a higher level > (no superiority of one over the other intended). > Both are floors of the > same building or probably two rooms in the same > house. In one room, > (dualism) you have the image of God, you worship, > you sing bhajans etc. In > the other, there is nothing except you sitting in > deep meditation trying to > realise that God and you are one (non-dualism). > > Dualism is Bhakti Marg. Dualism can appeal to masses > since it is easy to > comprehend. All Bhakti margies imply dualism where > God is different than > you and needs to be worshiped etc etc. Krishna > consciousness does not mean > 'according to will of God' but in the consciousness > or illumination/light > that Krishna naturally emits. > > Non-dualism is Jnana Marg. The way of Knowledge. It > requires a sound > reasoning and understanding of scientific method and > can appeal to rational > beings. > > It could be a bit confusing in the beginning to know > that dualism and > non-dualism are basically the same. THe latter is > more at an abstract > level. SImilar confusion can initially arise when > in the Gita, Krishna says > Karma and Akarma are the same thing. But with a > careful thought one will > easily realise that it is very correct and karma and > Akarma are actually > the same thing. > > To avoid confusion, I would suggest you read Gita by > Gita Press Gorakhpur or > better still Talks on Gita by Vinoba. However, if > you want an intellectual > challenge , the best recourse is Lokmanya Tilak's > Gita Rahasya. > > Hope this helps > > Dr Milind Sathye > School of Accounting, Banking and Finance > University of Canberra, Canberra, ACT 2601, > Australia > Telephone: 6+ 2+ 6201 5489 Fax: 61+ 2+ 6201 5238 > AND > Adjunct Professor, Graduate College of Management, > Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW > > > > > chaganti srinivas [cnu_ind] > Sunday, 11 November 2001 12:09 AM > Ramakrishna > [sri Ramakrishna] Doubt !!! > > > Hi all > > off late I ve been reading Bhagwat Gita published by > the ISKCON society....there it has been repeatedly > emphasized that The Gods soul(Lord Krishna) and > human > souls are eternally different and can never be the > same but they do have an eternal relationship with > each other and one who works in Krishna > consciousness > (according to the will of God) can only be saved > .....doesn't this contradict the advaita philosophy > which doesn't preach dualism .....which says this > whole universe is ONE manifested in different > forms.. > ?? > > I feel These two philosophies are mutually > exclusive....i mean how can be believe dualism as > well > as non dualism ?? ...at a give point of time only > one > can be true !!! ....but i dont know which one ?? > > Somehow i find Advaitism more convincing. > > I would love to know the lists view on this aspect. > > regards > srinivas chaganti > > > > > > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers. > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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