Infinity

[Guest guest]

Dear J.R.:

 

Thank you - I appreciate the dialogue on these questions/concepts, which are

of (academic) interest to me. Also, I admit I am treading waters that are

deeper than what I have actually experienced. (By the way, has anyone on

this List experienced Samadhi? I am not asking you to share specific

" visions, " but just the general experience.)

 

1) Psalm 46:10: " Be still, and know that I am God " - what powerful words! Is

this statement not the essence of the Upanishads? As an aside, that is why I

have stated previously on this List that the teachings of Sri Ramakrishna

and Jesus are identical. (I would love to do a thread on this question - or

devote an entire List to it!) Another aside, do Incarnations have past

lives?

 

Yes, in my previous message I said Samadhi could be defined as cessation of

thought (as brought about by " stillness " of the mind). However, is it

" cessation " or is it " one-pointedness " of thought. Or, is there even a

difference between the two? When we cease our thoughts, or still our

thoughts, or focus them into a singularity, are we not causing our mind to

be receptive to God's thoughts?

 

Regarding your comment: " In time and space alone can you have thought, as

thoughts have a beginning and an end. " That is an interesting theological

question. If " thoughts " are derived from " consciousness, " then I would

expect them to exist, even when one has transcended time and space. But,

surely, they exist in a much purer form - without the tug and pull of the

three Gunas. (Sri Ramakrishna certainly appeared to carry on a " dialogue "

with the Divine Mother when in Samadhi - which required thought.)

 

2) You commented: " Absolute anything especially absolute numbers are a

relative concept. " I don't know if I would agree with the " absolute

anything " part. Isn't the word " absolute " the very definition of something

which transcends " relativity? " Sat-Chit-Ananda - as translated to mean

Absolute Existence, Abosolute Consciousness and Absolute Bliss. To me,

absolute simply means " one and only. " In this case, I was referring to the

theory that our universe (which is a manifestion or superimposition of the

" one and only, " but in varying degrees of intensity or vibration) has a

point where the degree of " coldness " and " motion " can go no lower/slower. At

this point, the theory goes, atoms cease to move, vibrate or radiate energy.

Would not atoms in this state transcend the relative and achieve to the " one

and only " on which they were based? When we split the atom, we find

incredible energy. Therefore, when we " freeze " the atom, might we not find

incredible " truth? "

 

Similarly, you say: " The concept of Zero exists because of the existence of

numbers...and so stay with in the relative world...which is not in

Infinity. " To the contrary, I would hazard the statement that numbers exist

because Zero exists! Therefore, Zero represents Infinity, precisely because

it is the basis on which all other numbers achieve their existence.

 

 

3) That is why I humbly surmise that physical science (as opposed to the

metaphysical science of Yoga), may someday ALSO lead us to Realization. God

created our universe so that 2+2 always equals 4. Therefore, He created our

universe so that it is based on both physical and metaphysical laws.

 

In a previous discussion, we shared our thoughts on what would happen to our

lovely world (sarcasm intended) if everyone stopped making widgets, and

spent their time and energy meditating. God forbid! But, several astute

Listees pointed out that man's nature would not allow that to happen. So,

that begs the question, " What happens to mankind when all the metaphysicians

(i.e., Sadhakas) achieve Moksha, leaving all the materialists behind? " I

like to believe that our Creator, in His infinite wisdom has created another

gateway to lilberation - albeit a more cumbersome one. So, I choose to

respectfully disagree with your comment: " The only technology that will ever

be available to attain to Samadhi is Jnana Yoga and Bhakti Yoga as they seek

to still and transcend! " I choose to believe that when physical science uses

technology to uncover the " one and only " on which our universe was created,

e.g., via the Absolute Zero, the Absolute Particle, the Absolute

Mathematical Equation, etc., this will, somehow, also lead to Samadhi.

 

3) You state: " Also the Concept of Infinity for me would direct me to look

at the ONE source of material or energy or whatever you may want to call it

as being not only PRESENT in EVERYTHING but also remains CHANGELESS. "

 

I agree! Everything in our universe is a " manifestation " of the one and

only, which is changeless, yet it is the source of all. However, only the

" Manifestor " is real, not His manifestations.

 

 

In summary: Isn't the process for achieving Samadhi the spiritual

equivalent for achieving Absolute Zero in physics (i.e., stillness) or

achieving Zero in mathematics (i.e., not one, not two, etc. - i.e., Neti,

Neti)?

 

God Bless,

Brad