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" VISHWAJIT BHADRASHETTY " <b_vishwajit

<Ramakrishna >

Friday, January 25, 2002 08:24

[sri Ramakrishna] Arguements

 

 

>

>

> ||Jai Rama Krishna||

>

> Hi Dear Members,

> I am novice to this spiritualism. I

> was an atheist in my highschool days(Now in

> dilemma...). After reading lectures of Swami

> Vivekanandaa I am little bit in confusion. And like

> for every other person, I think about God. I'll start

> puting some argumentative questions in this group.I

> hope they won't hurt any members.I want to take the

> permission of the founders for that. Can I start

> posting those arguements from tomorrow?Thank you all.

>

> " Strength is life; Weakness is death " -Vivekaananda

>

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Dear Vishvajit

 

The list or the list members do not profess to have

all the answers (not even some answers!),

else (perhaps) we would not be on this list : )

 

Please note:-

When a person asks questions about spirituality

he unknowingly reveals a great deal about himself.

 

The manner of asking questions and the way the questiona are

framed reveal a great deal about the questioner.....

His sincerity - His love of the subject matter - His capacity or

incapacity to understand spiritual matters all these

sometimes get revealed in his mannerism.

So take care!

 

jay

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One thing I like about this list is that people do not waste time arguing

senselessly. Mere debate will not bring anyone to the supreme goal of life. If

someone has a sincere and honest question, people here seem to respond

generously but to the point, and it doesn't go on and on, nor are there flame

wars. It seems to be understood that energy must be focused properly, not wasted

in mental exercises or ambitions to prevail in argument.

One time a Buddhist acquaintance who was somewhat vehement about the concept

of " no-self " said, in response to my use of the word " God, " " What do you mean by

'God'? " But as he asked it in a hostile manner, as if the word could not

possibly be meaningful--not in an open or curious way, honestly wishing to know

what I meant--I simply excused myself from the conversation.

However, to pose an honest question in terms of a proposition that invites

rebuttal, by way of stimulating a response, is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

Adi Shankaracharya in his 5 verses of advice [upadesha or

saadhana or sopaana pa~nchakam] has this to say:

 

dustarkaat suviramyataam - indulge not in perverse arguments

 

shrutimataH tarkaH anusandhyataam - follow the discriminative

rationale of the vedas [upanishads]

 

budhajanaiH vaadaH parityajyataam - avoid debating with the Self-

realised

 

 

Argument, logic, dialectic, nyaaya-shaastra are recognised modes of

philosophy, but also can be abused! Truth/God/Reality are beyond

logic, but not antagonistic to their proper use.

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

 

 

Ramakrishna, " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda@b...>

wrote:

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> " VISHWAJIT BHADRASHETTY " <b_vishwajit>

> <Ramakrishna>

> Friday, January 25, 2002 08:24

> [sri Ramakrishna] Arguements

>

>

> >

> >

> > ||Jai Rama Krishna||

> >

> > Hi Dear Members,

> > I am novice to this spiritualism. I

> > was an atheist in my highschool days(Now in

> > dilemma...). After reading lectures of Swami

> > Vivekanandaa I am little bit in confusion. And like

> > for every other person, I think about God. I'll start

> > puting some argumentative questions in this group.I

> > hope they won't hurt any members.I want to take the

> > permission of the founders for that. Can I start

> > posting those arguements from tomorrow?Thank you all.

> >

> > " Strength is life; Weakness is death " -Vivekaananda

> >

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Vishvajit

>

> The list or the list members do not profess to have

> all the answers (not even some answers!),

> else (perhaps) we would not be on this list : )

>

> Please note:-

> When a person asks questions about spirituality

> he unknowingly reveals a great deal about himself.

>

> The manner of asking questions and the way the questiona are

> framed reveal a great deal about the questioner.....

> His sincerity - His love of the subject matter - His capacity or

> incapacity to understand spiritual matters all these

> sometimes get revealed in his mannerism.

> So take care!

>

> jay

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Crossen great thougths

 

 

Kendra Crossen Burroughs [kcburroughs]

Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:32 PM

Ramakrishna

Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Arguements

 

 

One thing I like about this list is that people do not waste time arguing

senselessly. Mere debate will not bring anyone to the supreme goal of life.

If

someone has a sincere and honest question, people here seem to respond

generously but to the point, and it doesn't go on and on, nor are there

flame

wars. It seems to be understood that energy must be focused properly, not

wasted

in mental exercises or ambitions to prevail in argument.

One time a Buddhist acquaintance who was somewhat vehement about the

concept

of " no-self " said, in response to my use of the word " God, " " What do you

mean by

'God'? " But as he asked it in a hostile manner, as if the word could not

possibly be meaningful--not in an open or curious way, honestly wishing to

know

what I meant--I simply excused myself from the conversation.

However, to pose an honest question in terms of a proposition that

invites

rebuttal, by way of stimulating a response, is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

 

 

_______

 

Get your free @ address at

<>

 

 

 

 

 

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