Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 No wonder Jay was considered as a threat in the second session. When Hinduism is put down it could be due to many reasons: some of these are: 1. Since Christianity is treated as a product to be marketed one way to market the product is to denigrate the competitors product. SO bash Hinduism and proclaim Christ as the only way. I remember a textile company in India advertising 'Only Vimal' all else is second rate. This is what christians are doing. Our Masters were so great that they did not allow Hinduism to get reduced to such a level. Neither did Christ himself. It is the 'marketing team' of Christ which is doing this. 2. Marketing team has a pecuniary interest. Salesmen get paid a commision on sales and so also on spreading christianity. 3.The Greatness of Hinduism raises jealousy. Other religions look so elementary in its presence! It is easier to throw filth on it than to raise ourselves to that level which is a hard task. 4. Show filth and find out if we can answer that. If we do, then find some other fault and continue the blamegame. 5. Gandhi righty said in reply to Katherin Mayo's Mother India. Her book is like drain inspector's report. SO all who find only faults in Hinduism are like drain inspectors. 6. Hinduism did produce a living Christ like Gandhi but with crucifixation the last good Christian vanished from this earth. 7. Many ministries have sprang up all over the world. Books are published and sold on Christ. Seminars are held (with entry fee) to learn about Christ. SO 'Christ' is a big industry. Would you like the industry to collapse like Enron by telling people about Hinduism which is free and is for everyone? Dr Milind Sathye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Namaskar, Every now and then some disturbing mail appears in the Ramakrishna mailing list. However such mails are very important as they provide each person an opportunity to analyze and improve upon their thoughts. It seems that some people take very much pride and delight in Christian bashing which is no different in intensity than criticizing of Hinduism by few people of other faith. Statements like “ Hinduism did produce a living Christ like Gandhi but with crucifixation the last good Christian vanished from this earth” is really uncalled for in Ramakrishna mailing list , if am allowed to say so. Proclaiming “Greatness of Hinduism raises jealousy” - Sure not! When a respected list member tries to demoralize or humiliate followers of other faith. Rather, one is only raising hatred by making statements like the one above. The same hatred in his heart for the Christians is clearly demonstrated.... I did'nt intend to hurt anybody's feelings, i am sorry if i did but i very much felt like expressing honestly what i observed... With regards and best wishes for all Rahul >Ramakrishna >Ramakrishna >Ramakrishna >[sri Ramakrishna] Digest Number 1039 >1 Feb 2002 22:33:53 -0000 > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk >------ > >There are 5 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. VML-1/31/02 > ananta <sarada > 2. Life of Sri Maa - 15 > " Gokulmuthu N. " <gokulmuthu > 3. Marketing Jesus > " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS > 4. Re: Digest 1038 > " Brad Stephan " <brad > 5. Re: Re: Digest 1038 > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:43:02 -0500 > ananta <sarada >VML-1/31/02 > >Then the bull said, " The East is a part of the Lord, so is the West, >so is the South, so is the North. The four cardinal points are the >four parts of Brahman. Fire will also teach you something of >Brahman. " Fire was a great symbol in those days, and every student >had to procure fire and make offerings. So on the following day, >Satyakama started for his Guru's house, and when in the evening he >had performed his oblation, and worshipped at the fire, and was >sitting near it, he heard a voice come from the fire, " O Satyakama. " > " Speak, Lord, " said Satyakama. (Perhaps you may remember a very >similar story in the Old Testament, how Samuel heard a mysterious >voice.) " O Satyakama, I am come to teach you a little of Brahman This >earth is a portion of that Brahman. The sky and the heaven are >portions of It. The ocean is a part of that Brahman. " > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:07:27 +0530 > " Gokulmuthu N. " <gokulmuthu >Life of Sri Maa - 15 > >Life of Sri Maa - 15 > > Sri Sarada Devi's happy days at Dakshineswar were over in April >1885. The Master, afflicted by a sore throat which bled, had to be shifted >to Shyampukur in Calcutta, for facility of treatment. Soon her presence was >needed at Shyampukur, especially to cook his meals. The Master's illness >turned from bad to worse and had to be shifted to a more spacious place >at Cossipore in December 1885. Here too, Sarada Devi occupied a small room >on the ground floor, and was busy with various chores. > > Here, at Cossipore, before her eyes, the Master laid the foundation >for the future monastic order, training his young disciples, in spite of >the >excruciating pain he was suffering from. One day, looking earnestly at her, >he said: `Look here, won't you do anything? Must this [pointing to his >body] >do everything?' But she protested, `What can I do? I am a mere woman.' `No, >no,' Sri Ramakrishna insisted, `you will have to do many things.' On >another >occasion he said to her: `Look at the people of Calcutta. They are like >worms >squirming in darkness. You must bring light to them.' > > >----------- >Extracts from the book : Sri Sarada Devi (A biography in pictures) > Advaita Ashrama, Calcutta (http://www.advaitaonline.com/). > > >-- >--------------- >Email: gokulmuthu >Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/gokulmuthu/ >Phone: +91 80 6689904, 6689938, 6780026-9 > +91 80 2384190-3 Ext. 227 > +91 44 8140104 >--------------- > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:38:33 +1100 > " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS >Marketing Jesus > >No wonder Jay was considered as a threat in the second session. >When Hinduism is put down it could be due to many reasons: some of these >are: >1. Since Christianity is treated as a product to be marketed one way to >market the product is to denigrate the competitors product. SO bash >Hinduism and proclaim Christ as the only way. I remember a textile company >in India advertising 'Only Vimal' all else is second rate. This is what >christians are doing. Our Masters were so great that they did not allow >Hinduism to get reduced to such a level. Neither did Christ himself. It >is >the 'marketing team' of Christ which is doing this. >2. Marketing team has a pecuniary interest. Salesmen get paid a commision >on sales and so also on spreading christianity. >3.The Greatness of Hinduism raises jealousy. Other religions look so >elementary in its presence! It is easier to throw filth on it than to raise >ourselves to that level which is a hard task. >4. Show filth and find out if we can answer that. If we do, then find some >other fault and continue the blamegame. >5. Gandhi righty said in reply to Katherin Mayo's Mother India. Her book >is >like drain inspector's report. SO all who find only faults in Hinduism >are >like drain inspectors. >6. Hinduism did produce a living Christ like Gandhi but with crucifixation >the last good Christian vanished from this earth. >7. Many ministries have sprang up all over the world. Books are published >and sold on Christ. Seminars are held (with entry fee) to learn about >Christ. SO 'Christ' is a big industry. Would you like the industry to >collapse like Enron by telling people about Hinduism which is free and is >for everyone? > >Dr Milind Sathye > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 4 > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:27:05 -0800 > " Brad Stephan " <brad >Re: Digest 1038 > >Dear jay: > >I know you want to move past this topic, but my guess is Digest 1039 will >generate lots of traffic on this important topic. Indeed, there's probably >no topic more important right now than the challenges and opportunities >relating to interfaith dialogue. I know there are a lot of symposiums and >groups dedicated to interfaith dialogue in America right now (I was a >participant in a Christian-Hindu Studies List but, unfortunately, it was >shut down last summer by its University-based sponsors, because they felt >it >was becoming too political and less academic.) > >The Ramakrishna List, I believe, is a fairly good forum for interfaith >discussion, because its participants are primarily interested in spiritual >growth, rather than email argumentation, and because of the fact that >Vedanta is inclusive and non-judgemental in its theology - two attibutes >greatly needed in our world today. (On a related question, I have the sense >that not all " Hindu " are " Vedantists " - causing some to be just as >judgemental of other religions, as many Christians are. Someone please >educate me.) > >Richard, sadly, I must agree with your remarks (as you used the word " most " >rather than " all " when describing Christians). Interestingly, it was from >the East (Paramahansa Yogananda) that I discovered the Truth of the West >(i.e., Christ's teachings). Until the deeper, spiritual truths of Christ's >teachings were pointed out to me, I was never attracted to Him through > " Churchianity " (Yoganandaji, I believe, coined that term!). > >jay, if you don't mind baring your soul a little further, if could relive >your presentation, would you change anything? > >God Bless, >Brad > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 5 > Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:12:39 -0000 > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda >Re: Re: Digest 1038 > > >- > " Brad Stephan " <brad > " The Ramakrishna List " <ramakrishna > >Friday, February 01, 2002 04:27 >[sri Ramakrishna] Re: Digest 1038 > > > > Dear jay: > > > > I know you want to move past this topic, but my guess is Digest 1039 >will > > generate lots of traffic on this important topic. Indeed, there's >probably > > no topic more important right now than the challenges and opportunities > > relating to interfaith dialogue. > > > > jay, if you don't mind baring your soul a little further, if could >relive > > your presentation, would you change anything? > > > > God Bless, > > Brad > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dear Brad > >I appreciate your dedication to the theme pursued by this list. > >(1) As I said in my last email I was responding to a special >situation... hence I was severe, nothing to glorify. >On second thoughts would I have done anything different? >No. I was measured and controlled and did not digress >from what was asked. > >(2) By all means the list can discuss Interfaith issues >but there is no need to do post mortem on what happened. >I feel a little sad that the efforts of bridge-building may have >suffered a little at this particular Christian college. > >Thanks for your support and understanding. > >jay > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 I am in agreement with Rahul Ganjiwale. Gandhiji himself said: " Every person, as every institution, and, above all, every religion was to be judged not by the amount of atrocities or the wrong committed but by the right conduct. " Sam In Ramakrishna, " Rahul Ganjiwale " <rahulganjiwale@h...> wrote: > Namaskar, > Every now and then some disturbing mail appears in the Ramakrishna mailing > list. However such mails are very important as they provide each person an > opportunity to analyze and improve upon their thoughts. > It seems that some people take very much pride and delight in Christian > bashing which is no different in intensity than criticizing of Hinduism by > few people of other faith. Statements like > " Hinduism did produce a living Christ like Gandhi but with crucifixation > the last good Christian vanished from this earth " is really uncalled for in > Ramakrishna mailing list , if am allowed to say so. > Proclaiming " Greatness of Hinduism raises jealousy " - Sure not! When a > respected list member tries to demoralize or humiliate followers of other > faith. Rather, one is only raising hatred by making statements like the one > above. The same hatred in his heart for the Christians is clearly > demonstrated.... > I did'nt intend to hurt anybody's feelings, i am sorry if i did but i very > much felt like expressing honestly what i observed... > With regards and best wishes for all > Rahul > > > >Ramakrishna > >Ramakrishna > >Ramakrishna > >[sri Ramakrishna] Digest Number 1039 > >1 Feb 2002 22:33:53 -0000 > > > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > >Vivekananda Centre London > >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > >- ----- > > > >There are 5 messages in this issue. > > > >Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. VML-1/31/02 > > ananta <sarada@g...> > > 2. Life of Sri Maa - 15 > > " Gokulmuthu N. " <gokulmuthu> > > 3. Marketing Jesus > > " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS@m...> > > 4. Re: Digest 1038 > > " Brad Stephan " <brad@w...> > > 5. Re: Re: Digest 1038 > > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda@b...> > > > > > >___________________ ___ > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 1 > > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:43:02 -0500 > > ananta <sarada@g...> > >VML-1/31/02 > > > >Then the bull said, " The East is a part of the Lord, so is the West, > >so is the South, so is the North. The four cardinal points are the > >four parts of Brahman. Fire will also teach you something of > >Brahman. " Fire was a great symbol in those days, and every student > >had to procure fire and make offerings. So on the following day, > >Satyakama started for his Guru's house, and when in the evening he > >had performed his oblation, and worshipped at the fire, and was > >sitting near it, he heard a voice come from the fire, " O Satyakama. " > > " Speak, Lord, " said Satyakama. (Perhaps you may remember a very > >similar story in the Old Testament, how Samuel heard a mysterious > >voice.) " O Satyakama, I am come to teach you a little of Brahman This > >earth is a portion of that Brahman. The sky and the heaven are > >portions of It. The ocean is a part of that Brahman. " > > > > > > > >___________________ ___ > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 2 > > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:07:27 +0530 > > " Gokulmuthu N. " <gokulmuthu> > >Life of Sri Maa - 15 > > > >Life of Sri Maa - 15 > > > > Sri Sarada Devi's happy days at Dakshineswar were over in April > >1885. The Master, afflicted by a sore throat which bled, had to be shifted > >to Shyampukur in Calcutta, for facility of treatment. Soon her presence was > >needed at Shyampukur, especially to cook his meals. The Master's illness > >turned from bad to worse and had to be shifted to a more spacious place > >at Cossipore in December 1885. Here too, Sarada Devi occupied a small room > >on the ground floor, and was busy with various chores. > > > > Here, at Cossipore, before her eyes, the Master laid the foundation > >for the future monastic order, training his young disciples, in spite of > >the > >excruciating pain he was suffering from. One day, looking earnestly at her, > >he said: `Look here, won't you do anything? Must this [pointing to his > >body] > >do everything?' But she protested, `What can I do? I am a mere woman.' `No, > >no,' Sri Ramakrishna insisted, `you will have to do many things.' On > >another > >occasion he said to her: `Look at the people of Calcutta. They are like > >worms > >squirming in darkness. You must bring light to them.' > > > > > >- ---------- > >Extracts from the book : Sri Sarada Devi (A biography in pictures) > > Advaita Ashrama, Calcutta (http://www.advaitaonline.com/). > > > > > >-- > >--------------- > >Email: gokulmuthu > >Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/gokulmuthu/ > >Phone: +91 80 6689904, 6689938, 6780026-9 > > +91 80 2384190-3 Ext. 227 > > +91 44 8140104 > >--------------- > > > > > > > > > >___________________ ___ > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 3 > > Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:38:33 +1100 > > " Sathye, Milind " <MilindS@m...> > >Marketing Jesus > > > >No wonder Jay was considered as a threat in the second session. > >When Hinduism is put down it could be due to many reasons: some of these > >are: > >1. Since Christianity is treated as a product to be marketed one way to > >market the product is to denigrate the competitors product. SO bash > >Hinduism and proclaim Christ as the only way. I remember a textile company > >in India advertising 'Only Vimal' all else is second rate. This is what > >christians are doing. Our Masters were so great that they did not allow > >Hinduism to get reduced to such a level. Neither did Christ himself. It > >is > >the 'marketing team' of Christ which is doing this. > >2. Marketing team has a pecuniary interest. Salesmen get paid a commision > >on sales and so also on spreading christianity. > >3.The Greatness of Hinduism raises jealousy. Other religions look so > >elementary in its presence! It is easier to throw filth on it than to raise > >ourselves to that level which is a hard task. > >4. Show filth and find out if we can answer that. If we do, then find some > >other fault and continue the blamegame. > >5. Gandhi righty said in reply to Katherin Mayo's Mother India. Her book > >is > >like drain inspector's report. SO all who find only faults in Hinduism > >are > >like drain inspectors. > >6. Hinduism did produce a living Christ like Gandhi but with crucifixation > >the last good Christian vanished from this earth. > >7. Many ministries have sprang up all over the world. Books are published > >and sold on Christ. Seminars are held (with entry fee) to learn about > >Christ. SO 'Christ' is a big industry. Would you like the industry to > >collapse like Enron by telling people about Hinduism which is free and is > >for everyone? > > > >Dr Milind Sathye > > > > > > > > > >___________________ ___ > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 4 > > Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:27:05 -0800 > > " Brad Stephan " <brad@w...> > >Re: Digest 1038 > > > >Dear jay: > > > >I know you want to move past this topic, but my guess is Digest 1039 will > >generate lots of traffic on this important topic. Indeed, there's probably > >no topic more important right now than the challenges and opportunities > >relating to interfaith dialogue. I know there are a lot of symposiums and > >groups dedicated to interfaith dialogue in America right now (I was a > >participant in a Christian-Hindu Studies List but, unfortunately, it was > >shut down last summer by its University-based sponsors, because they felt > >it > >was becoming too political and less academic.) > > > >The Ramakrishna List, I believe, is a fairly good forum for interfaith > >discussion, because its participants are primarily interested in spiritual > >growth, rather than email argumentation, and because of the fact that > >Vedanta is inclusive and non-judgemental in its theology - two attibutes > >greatly needed in our world today. (On a related question, I have the sense > >that not all " Hindu " are " Vedantists " - causing some to be just as > >judgemental of other religions, as many Christians are. Someone please > >educate me.) > > > >Richard, sadly, I must agree with your remarks (as you used the word " most " > >rather than " all " when describing Christians). Interestingly, it was from > >the East (Paramahansa Yogananda) that I discovered the Truth of the West > >(i.e., Christ's teachings). Until the deeper, spiritual truths of Christ's > >teachings were pointed out to me, I was never attracted to Him through > > " Churchianity " (Yoganandaji, I believe, coined that term!). > > > >jay, if you don't mind baring your soul a little further, if could relive > >your presentation, would you change anything? > > > >God Bless, > >Brad > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ ___ > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 5 > > Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:12:39 -0000 > > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda@b...> > >Re: Re: Digest 1038 > > > > > >- > > " Brad Stephan " <brad@w...> > > " The Ramakrishna List " <ramakrishna> > >Friday, February 01, 2002 04:27 > >[sri Ramakrishna] Re: Digest 1038 > > > > > > > Dear jay: > > > > > > I know you want to move past this topic, but my guess is Digest 1039 > >will > > > generate lots of traffic on this important topic. Indeed, there's > >probably > > > no topic more important right now than the challenges and opportunities > > > relating to interfaith dialogue. > > > > > > jay, if you don't mind baring your soul a little further, if could > >relive > > > your presentation, would you change anything? > > > > > > God Bless, > > > Brad > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >Dear Brad > > > >I appreciate your dedication to the theme pursued by this list. > > > >(1) As I said in my last email I was responding to a special > >situation... hence I was severe, nothing to glorify. > >On second thoughts would I have done anything different? > >No. I was measured and controlled and did not digress > >from what was asked. > > > >(2) By all means the list can discuss Interfaith issues > >but there is no need to do post mortem on what happened. > >I feel a little sad that the efforts of bridge-building may have > >suffered a little at this particular Christian college. > > > >Thanks for your support and understanding. > > > >jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ ___ > >___________________ ___ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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