Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hullo, My father Dr S G Mudgal has written a book " Impact of Samkhya on Sankara's thoughts " .......a Motilal Banarasidass Publication. Perhaps you would find what you are looking for in that book? Rgds, G Warudi --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> <BR> -<BR> & quot;toni nelson & quot; & lt;the_tribulation & gt;<BR> Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41<BR> the bhagavad gita<BR> <BR> <BR> sir/madam<BR> <BR> i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school and we are looking at<BR> the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and karma yoga. in my<BR> essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of the gita, his<BR> views on bhakti and karma & nbsp; yoga, and views prior to him.<BR> to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's introduction to<BR> hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was inferior to jnana.<BR> This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how sankara changed these<BR> traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd really appreciate your<BR> help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if you<BR> haven't the time!<BR> <BR> & gt; toni nelson<BR> <BR> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR> <BR> Dear Toni<BR> <BR> Your question is very interesting.... We will ask some of our<BR> list members to resond to you directly or via our list.<BR> I am pretty sure you will get very interesting answers....<BR> <BR> jay & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Vivekananda Centre London<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Also there is reference to Sankara’s thoughts on bhakti and jnana, in a periodical called ‘Tattvaloka’ Volume XII No.1. Pgs 40-41, under the chapter ‘Poetic Genius of Sankara’ written by P. S. Krishnan. If you wish I could write down the entire passage for you and send it across. Best, GW --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> <BR> -<BR> & quot;toni nelson & quot; & lt;the_tribulation & gt;<BR> Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41<BR> the bhagavad gita<BR> <BR> <BR> sir/madam<BR> <BR> i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school and we are looking at<BR> the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and karma yoga. in my<BR> essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of the gita, his<BR> views on bhakti and karma & nbsp; yoga, and views prior to him.<BR> to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's introduction to<BR> hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was inferior to jnana.<BR> This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how sankara changed these<BR> traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd really appreciate your<BR> help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if you<BR> haven't the time!<BR> <BR> & gt; toni nelson<BR> <BR> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR> <BR> Dear Toni<BR> <BR> Your question is very interesting.... We will ask some of our<BR> list members to resond to you directly or via our list.<BR> I am pretty sure you will get very interesting answers....<BR> <BR> jay & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Vivekananda Centre London<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Dear Toni Nelson, According to what I have understood about Adi Sankara, he didn't say that Bhakti is inferior to Jnana.He only said that Bhakti was prior to Jnana.That means Jnana is the ultimate truth;bhakti is the means of attaining that jnana.This also includes Karma. Thank you. Sincerely, Karthikeyan On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 Vivekananda Centre wrote : > > - > " toni nelson " <the_tribulation > Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41 > the bhagavad gita > > > sir/madam > > i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school and > we are looking at > the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and karma > yoga. in my > essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of the > gita, his > views on bhakti and karma yoga, and views prior to him. > to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's > introduction to > hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was > inferior to jnana. > This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how > sankara changed these > traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd really > appreciate your > help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if you > haven't the time! > > > toni nelson > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Toni > > Your question is very interesting.... We will ask some > of our > list members to resond to you directly or via our list. > I am pretty sure you will get very interesting > answers.... > > jay Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 NO. I think you cant actually say that Jnana is superior than Bhakti and it comes AFTER Bhakti. These are two distinct ways to reach the ultimate goal. They cant be actually compared. Also what about something in Gita itself when Bhagwan Krishna says that - Bhakti is greater than Jnana or Yoga ??? I dont remember the exact chapter ... Great Maharashtrian Saint and Philosopher Jnaneshwara also says in his 'Jnaneshwari' that 'para-bhakti' is greater than anything i.e. greater the Yoga and Jnana even when he himself was a great Yogi/Jnani as well as a great Bhakta. Let me know what you all think about this. Any more specific references ??? Regards. Jai Sri Ramakrishna !!! srkchild. - Karthikeyan C S list Cc: Vivekananda Centre ; toni nelson Friday, February 15, 2002 5:04 PM Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita Dear Toni Nelson, According to what I have understood about Adi Sankara, he didn't say that Bhakti is inferior to Jnana.He only said that Bhakti was prior to Jnana.That means Jnana is the ultimate truth;bhakti is the means of attaining that jnana.This also includes Karma. Thank you. Sincerely, Karthikeyan On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 Vivekananda Centre wrote : > > - > " toni nelson " <the_tribulation > Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41 > the bhagavad gita > > > sir/madam > > i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school and > we are looking at > the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and karma > yoga. in my > essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of the > gita, his > views on bhakti and karma yoga, and views prior to him. > to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's > introduction to > hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was > inferior to jnana. > This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how > sankara changed these > traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd really > appreciate your > help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if you > haven't the time! > > > toni nelson > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Toni > > Your question is very interesting.... We will ask some > of our > list members to resond to you directly or via our list. > I am pretty sure you will get very interesting > answers.... > > jay Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Dear Sri SRK Child, You seem to be quite emotional.You are right both Gnana and Bhakti are the paths for self realisation. I'm sorry to say that you were just trying to prove that have more knowledge about spirituality.We are not here for any dispute.We are trying to clarify certain people's doubts. Here I would like to emphasize unequivocally that " SELF " is not in all these books and theories;You have to realise through practice. bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM govindaM bhajamuuDhamate . saMpraapte sannihite kaale nahi nahi rakshati DukR^iJNkaraNe Sincerely yours, Karthikeyan On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 SRK Child wrote : > NO. I think you cant actually say that Jnana is > superior than Bhakti and it comes AFTER Bhakti. These > are two distinct ways to reach the ultimate goal. They > cant be actually compared. > > Also what about something in Gita itself when Bhagwan > Krishna says that - Bhakti is greater than Jnana or > Yoga ??? I dont remember the exact chapter ... > > Great Maharashtrian Saint and Philosopher Jnaneshwara > also says in his 'Jnaneshwari' that 'para-bhakti' is > greater than anything i.e. greater the Yoga and Jnana > even when he himself was a great Yogi/Jnani as well as > a great Bhakta. > > Let me know what you all think about this. Any more > specific references ??? > > Regards. > > Jai Sri Ramakrishna !!! > > srkchild. > > - > Karthikeyan C S > list > Cc: Vivekananda Centre ; toni nelson > Friday, February 15, 2002 5:04 PM > Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita > > > > Dear Toni Nelson, > According to what I have understood about Adi Sankara, > he didn't say that Bhakti is inferior to Jnana.He only > said that Bhakti was prior to Jnana.That means Jnana is > the ultimate truth;bhakti is the means of attaining > that jnana.This also includes Karma. > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > Karthikeyan > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 Vivekananda Centre wrote : > > > > - > > " toni nelson " <the_tribulation > > Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41 > > the bhagavad gita > > > > > > sir/madam > > > > i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school > and > > we are looking at > > the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and > karma > > yoga. in my > > essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of > the > > gita, his > > views on bhakti and karma yoga, and views prior to > him. > > to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's > > introduction to > > hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was > > inferior to jnana. > > This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how > > sankara changed these > > traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd > really > > appreciate your > > help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if > you > > haven't the time! > > > > > toni nelson > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Toni > > > > Your question is very interesting.... We will ask > some > > of our > > list members to resond to you directly or via our > list. > > I am pretty sure you will get very interesting > > answers.... > > > > jay Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Dear Karthikeyan - First of all - I was not at all trying to prove about my knowledge. If you think it sounded like that then I am sorry. Yes I agree without any doubt that the SELF must be realized and cant be read in any book or scripture but when the discussion was in accordance with some reference from books, I just raised my opinion or views. I hope there should not be any problem about sharing views openly. I hope you will take it lightly and correct me if I am wrong ... Sincerely, srkchild - Karthikeyan C S Ramakrishna Monday, February 18, 2002 12:10 AM Re: Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita Dear Sri SRK Child, You seem to be quite emotional.You are right both Gnana and Bhakti are the paths for self realisation. I'm sorry to say that you were just trying to prove that have more knowledge about spirituality.We are not here for any dispute.We are trying to clarify certain people's doubts. Here I would like to emphasize unequivocally that " SELF " is not in all these books and theories;You have to realise through practice. bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM govindaM bhajamuuDhamate . saMpraapte sannihite kaale nahi nahi rakshati DukR^iJNkaraNe Sincerely yours, Karthikeyan On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 SRK Child wrote : > NO. I think you cant actually say that Jnana is > superior than Bhakti and it comes AFTER Bhakti. These > are two distinct ways to reach the ultimate goal. They > cant be actually compared. > > Also what about something in Gita itself when Bhagwan > Krishna says that - Bhakti is greater than Jnana or > Yoga ??? I dont remember the exact chapter ... > > Great Maharashtrian Saint and Philosopher Jnaneshwara > also says in his 'Jnaneshwari' that 'para-bhakti' is > greater than anything i.e. greater the Yoga and Jnana > even when he himself was a great Yogi/Jnani as well as > a great Bhakta. > > Let me know what you all think about this. Any more > specific references ??? > > Regards. > > Jai Sri Ramakrishna !!! > > srkchild. > > - > Karthikeyan C S > list > Cc: Vivekananda Centre ; toni nelson > Friday, February 15, 2002 5:04 PM > Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita > > > > Dear Toni Nelson, > According to what I have understood about Adi Sankara, > he didn't say that Bhakti is inferior to Jnana.He only > said that Bhakti was prior to Jnana.That means Jnana is > the ultimate truth;bhakti is the means of attaining > that jnana.This also includes Karma. > > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > Karthikeyan > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 Vivekananda Centre wrote : > > > > - > > " toni nelson " <the_tribulation > > Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41 > > the bhagavad gita > > > > > > sir/madam > > > > i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school > and > > we are looking at > > the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and > karma > > yoga. in my > > essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of > the > > gita, his > > views on bhakti and karma yoga, and views prior to > him. > > to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's > > introduction to > > hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was > > inferior to jnana. > > This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how > > sankara changed these > > traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd > really > > appreciate your > > help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if > you > > haven't the time! > > > > > toni nelson > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Toni > > > > Your question is very interesting.... We will ask > some > > of our > > list members to resond to you directly or via our > list. > > I am pretty sure you will get very interesting > > answers.... > > > > jay Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hullo all, An interesting article, relevant to what is being discussed about Bhakti and jnana GW http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1599711 ===== Life is the Almighty's gift. Cherish it! ______________________ Looking for a job? Visit India Careers Visit http://in.careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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