[Sri Ramakrishna] the bhagavad gita

February 18, 2002

My Dearest all,

Neither am i a PURE bhaktha nor am i a PURE jnanin. But comparing to my even

much more IGNORANT days i feel the bhakthi in me has increased qualitatively

& quantifiably. The incidences in m personal life prove the same for me. So

i believe shall be for others.

Ignorant as iam, i do not understand " WHO am i? " " brahman " nor " atman " ,

but listening to and even more, singing, chanting and bhajans of HIS

glorious name send shivers in me and sometimes try to hypocratically stop a

few tears that roll down!

i lead my life in complete faith and belief that the time will surely pass

when this ignorance shall be swept aside and knowledge would have been

discovered!

For your kind reference,

i seek inspiration from " Sayings of Sri Ramakrishna " an exhaustive

collection where the below discussed point of bhakth and jnana are clearly

explained by our master.

Pg 215- Bhakthi and jnana the same in the end.

Pg 216- How Bhakthi leads to jnana.

kindly excuse me for the usage of " i " quiet a number of times.

love

-P

-

SRK Child <srkchild

Monday, February 18, 2002 5:12 PM

Re: Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita

> Dear Karthikeyan -

>

> First of all - I was not at all trying to prove about my knowledge. If you

think it sounded like that then I am sorry.

>

> Yes I agree without any doubt that the SELF must be realized and cant be

read in any book or scripture but when the discussion was in accordance with

some reference from books, I just raised my opinion or views. I hope there

should not be any problem about sharing views openly. I hope you will take

it lightly and correct me if I am wrong ...

>

> Sincerely,

>

> srkchild

> -

> Karthikeyan C S

> Ramakrishna

> Monday, February 18, 2002 12:10 AM

> Re: Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita

>

> Dear Sri SRK Child,

> You seem to be quite emotional.You are right both Gnana and Bhakti are

the paths for self realisation.

> I'm sorry to say that you were just trying to prove that have more

knowledge about spirituality.We are not here for any dispute.We are trying

to clarify certain people's doubts.

> Here I would like to emphasize unequivocally that " SELF " is not in all

these books and theories;You have to realise through practice.

>

> bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM

> govindaM bhajamuuDhamate .

> saMpraapte sannihite kaale

> nahi nahi rakshati DukR^iJNkaraNe

>

> Sincerely yours,

> Karthikeyan

>

> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 SRK Child wrote :

> > NO. I think you cant actually say that Jnana is

> > superior than Bhakti and it comes AFTER Bhakti. These

> > are two distinct ways to reach the ultimate goal. They

> > cant be actually compared.

> >

> > Also what about something in Gita itself when Bhagwan

> > Krishna says that - Bhakti is greater than Jnana or

> > Yoga ??? I dont remember the exact chapter ...

> >

> > Great Maharashtrian Saint and Philosopher Jnaneshwara

> > also says in his 'Jnaneshwari' that 'para-bhakti' is

> > greater than anything i.e. greater the Yoga and Jnana

> > even when he himself was a great Yogi/Jnani as well as

> > a great Bhakta.

> >

> > Let me know what you all think about this. Any more

> > specific references ???

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > Jai Sri Ramakrishna !!!

> >

> > srkchild.

> >

> > -

> > Karthikeyan C S

> > list

> > Cc: Vivekananda Centre ; toni nelson

> > Friday, February 15, 2002 5:04 PM

> > Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita

> >

> > Dear Toni Nelson,

> > According to what I have understood about Adi Sankara,

> > he didn't say that Bhakti is inferior to Jnana.He only

> > said that Bhakti was prior to Jnana.That means Jnana is

> > the ultimate truth;bhakti is the means of attaining

> > that jnana.This also includes Karma.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Karthikeyan

> >

> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 Vivekananda Centre wrote :

> > >

> > > -

> > > " toni nelson " <the_tribulation

> > > Thursday, February 14, 2002 01:41

> > > the bhagavad gita

> > >

> > > sir/madam

> > >

> > > i am presently studying hinduism at nailsea school

> > and

> > > we are looking at

> > > the bhagavad gita and it's views on bhakti and

> > karma

> > > yoga. in my

> > > essay i have to include sankara's popularisation of

> > the

> > > gita, his

> > > views on bhakti and karma yoga, and views prior to

> > him.

> > > to me there seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's

> > > introduction to

> > > hinduism comments on how sankara thought bhakti was

> > > inferior to jnana.

> > > This contrasts what my tutor taught us about how

> > > sankara changed these

> > > traditional ideas by popularising the gita. i'd

> > really

> > > appreciate your

> > > help as my essays due in on monday! no worries if

> > you

> > > haven't the time!

> > >

> > > > toni nelson

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > >

> > > Dear Toni

> > >

> > > Your question is very interesting.... We will ask

> > some

> > > of our

> > > list members to resond to you directly or via our

> > list.

> > > I am pretty sure you will get very interesting

> > > answers....

> > >

> > > jay Vivekananda Centre London

> > >

February 18, 2002

My dear friends!

This would be interesting to read pertaining to bhakti

and jnana...

http://kamakoti.org/bhaja/bhaja.html

Regards,

Srikanth.

--- Prashanth <varanasinp wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

My Dearest all,

Neither am i a PURE bhaktha nor am i a PURE jnanin.

But comparing to my even

much more IGNORANT days i feel the bhakthi in me has

increased qualitatively

& amp; quantifiably. The incidences in m personal life

prove the same for me. So

i believe shall be for others.

Ignorant as iam, i do not understand & quot;WHO am

i? & quot; & quot;brahman & quot; nor

& quot;atman & quot;,

but listening to and even more, singing, chanting and

bhajans of HIS

glorious name send shivers in me and sometimes try to

hypocratically stop a

few tears that roll down!

i lead my life in complete faith and belief that the

time will surely pass

when this ignorance shall be swept aside and knowledge

would have been

discovered!

For your kind reference,

i seek inspiration from & quot;Sayings of Sri

Ramakrishna & quot; an exhaustive

collection & nbsp; where the below discussed point of

bhakth and jnana are clearly

explained by our master.

Pg 215- Bhakthi and jnana the same in the end.

Pg 216- How Bhakthi leads to jnana.

kindly excuse me for the usage of & quot;i & quot; quiet

a number of times.

love

-P

-

SRK Child & lt;srkchild & gt;

& lt;Ramakrishna & gt;

Monday, February 18, 2002 5:12 PM

Re: Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad

gita

& gt; Dear Karthikeyan -

& gt;

& gt; First of all - I was not at all trying to prove

about my knowledge. If you

think it sounded like that then I am sorry.

& gt;

& gt; Yes I agree without any doubt that the SELF must

be realized and cant be

read in any book or scripture but when the discussion

was in accordance with

some reference from books, I just raised my opinion or

views. I hope there

should not be any problem about sharing views openly.

I hope you will take

it lightly and correct me if I am wrong ...

& gt;

& gt; Sincerely,

& gt;

& gt; srkchild

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; -

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Karthikeyan C S

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Ramakrishna

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Monday, February 18, 2002 12:10

AM

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Re: Re: [sri Ramakrishna]

Re: the bhagavad gita

& gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Dear Sri SRK Child,

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; You seem to be quite emotional.You

are right both Gnana and Bhakti are

the paths for self realisation.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; I'm sorry to say that you were just

trying to prove that have more

knowledge about spirituality.We are not here for any

dispute.We are trying

to clarify certain people's doubts.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Here I would like to emphasize

unequivocally that & quot;SELF & quot; is not in all

these books and theories;You have to realise through

practice.

& gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; govindaM bhajamuuDhamate .

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; saMpraapte sannihite kaale

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; nahi nahi rakshati DukR^iJNkaraNe

& gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Sincerely yours,

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Karthikeyan

& gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 SRK Child wrote

:

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; NO. I think you cant actually

say that Jnana is

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; superior than Bhakti and it

comes AFTER Bhakti. These

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; are two distinct ways to reach

the ultimate goal. They

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; cant be actually compared.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Also what about something in

Gita itself when Bhagwan

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Krishna says that - Bhakti is

greater than Jnana or

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Yoga ??? I dont remember the

exact chapter ...

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Great Maharashtrian Saint and

Philosopher Jnaneshwara

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; also says in his 'Jnaneshwari'

that 'para-bhakti' is

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; greater than anything i.e.

greater the Yoga and Jnana

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; even when he himself was a great

Yogi/Jnani as well as

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; a great Bhakta.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Let me know what you all think

about this. Any more

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; specific references ???

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Regards.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Jai Sri Ramakrishna !!!

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; srkchild.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; -

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Karthikeyan C

S

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; list

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Cc: Vivekananda

Centre ; toni nelson

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Friday,

February 15, 2002 5:04 PM

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Re: [sri

Ramakrishna] Re: the bhagavad gita

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Dear Toni

Nelson,

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; According to what I

have understood about Adi Sankara,

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; he didn't say that Bhakti

is inferior to Jnana.He only

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; said that Bhakti was prior to

Jnana.That means Jnana is

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; the ultimate truth;bhakti

is the means of attaining

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; that jnana.This also includes

Karma.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Thank you.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Sincerely,

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Karthikeyan

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; On Thu, 14 Feb 2002

Vivekananda Centre wrote :

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; ----- Original

Message -----

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& quot;toni nelson & quot;

& lt;the_tribulation & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Thursday,

February 14, 2002 01:41

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; the

bhagavad gita

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp;

sir/madam

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; i am presently

studying hinduism at nailsea school

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; and

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; we are looking

at

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; the bhagavad

gita and it's views on bhakti and

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; karma

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; yoga. in my

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; essay i have to

include sankara's popularisation of

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; the

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; gita, his

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; views on bhakti

and karma & nbsp; yoga, and views prior to

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; him.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; to me there

seems to be a contradiction. zaehner's

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; introduction

to

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; hinduism

comments on how sankara thought bhakti was

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; inferior to

jnana.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; This contrasts

what my tutor taught us about how

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; sankara changed

these

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; traditional

ideas by popularising the gita. i'd

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; really

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; appreciate

your

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; help as my

essays due in on monday! no worries if

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; you

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; haven't the

time!

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & gt; toni

nelson

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Dear Toni

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Your question

is very interesting.... We will ask

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; some

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; of our

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; list members to

resond to you directly or via our

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; list.

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; I am pretty

sure you will get very interesting

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; answers....

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

jay & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Vivekananda Centre

London

& gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;

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