Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 On suffering ...i have a quick question: As one starts distancing himself from pleasure and pain...doese'nt it feel like the juice and fireworks have gone out of life. Life seems more listless...am i missing something ? Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 > As one starts distancing himself from pleasure and > pain...doese'nt it feel like the juice and fireworks > have gone out of life. Life seems more listless...am i > missing something ? I think that if one recoils from the opposites of life in order to avoid suffering, the effect is a kind of self-numbing that would cause the juice to go out of life. But there's another kind of detachment that comes about naturally in the course of gradually feeling less attracted to the external world and more drawn to the inner life, and one receives a kind of joy there that is independent of pleasure and pain. _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Hullo, Wrt your statement: >>>>>Life seems more listless<<<< Dont you think, calm and peaceful would be a better adjective? One still has to learn to distance oneself though. GW ===== Life is the Almighty's gift. Cherish it! ______________________ For live cricket scores download Score Tracker at: http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Dear Roy Oh yes, you are missing a lot. In brief when you are above joy and suffering, you are a silent witness. You are like the person who is watching a movie and enjoying the tragedy and comedy knowing fully well that it you are in no way affected by it. But the way we live today is like a person who is watching a movie but gets hallucinated into believing that he is one of the characters in the movie either suffering or enjoying or a combination of both. I would rather be enjoying the movie than getting hallucinated. What about you ? Regards Dev Sports - live college hoops coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 >>>>>>>>But there's another kind of detachment that comes about naturally in the course of gradually feeling less attracted to the external world and more drawn to the inner life, and one receives a kind of joy there that is independent of pleasure and pain<<<<<<<< So true, but quite difficult to achieve, Requires a lot of effort........that's my experience, as I am still in the struggling stages. GW ===== Life is the Almighty's gift. Cherish it! ______________________ For live cricket scores download Score Tracker at: http://in.sports./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 > Wrt your statement: > >>>>>Life seems more listless<<<< > Dont you think, calm and peaceful would be a better > adjective? But the life energy wants to flow somewhere. Sometimes a person under the influence of spiritual ideals may stop pouring energy into his habitual unwise actions, but he has not yet found a new, constructive outlet for his energies. Then he might feel bored, dull, depressed, doubtful, disappointed, or perhaps agitated. It could be a necessary lull in the stream of life before a new direction is taken up. Peace comes later, as life re-establishes itself in the new way of being. Life then begins to flow naturally and spontaneously by itself, and calm is experienced as he is no longer caught up egotistically in the drama of events and sits back to enjoy the play--of which, he now understands, he is the author, actor, and audience all in one. _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 >So true, but quite difficult to achieve, Requires a >lot of effort........that's my experience, as I am >still in the struggling stages. >GW Dear GW somehow me thinks not!...i was myself encouraged by your encouraging words of support to Mr. Aditi Desai who felt no GOD or gods ever help! Strange but Vivekananda Himself said the same thing...No GOD or gods ever help. All help comes from within. The higher the hurdle we jump over the stronger our legs become and if the hurdle is placed there then SOMEONE will give us the strength to hurtle over... if SOMEONE has given us hunger then that SOMEONE also gives us the Food to extinguish that hunger... or so the Sages say...but then what about those who do die starving? What about those who give up life without hope? Somehow that SOMEONE does not explain everything! Often i have wondered why i took to 'praying' when i was told to do so...while i have told countless to pray or do nam-jap, despite the hard times some go through very few take to the refuge of GOD and japa...i truly believe that Japa has gotten me through the hardest and the most trying of times...yet not all are convinced of its efficacy..Only when they try and commit themselves to doing it everyday does it work... How to instil that Faith in others who are struggling and suffering.. for prayers is the answer for all suffering or am i being simplistic?? Pranaams _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 > So true, but quite difficult to achieve, Requires a > lot of effort........that's my experience, as I am > still in the struggling stages. > GW It takes time. It's a gradual process. Don't be so hard on yourself. After all, who is really doing all the effort? Whenever I feel it is I who am struggling, I think counterthoughts and remind myself: No, it is He who is getting it done through me. It is His own journey from Himself to Himself. By rejecting the false and thinking the true (even if at the moment I don't experience the true), I gradually gain access to the fund of truth within myself. Just think--you, out of thousands who care nothing about spirituality--are on your way. You will get there. The process is in motion. The obstacles and struggles are a necessary part of it. Spiritual life has so many paradoxes. One is that we have to have infinite patience and not expect anything, but at the same time maintain our enthusiasm for the journey instead of getting depressed. Energy has to be conserved--not lost through bad company (people who would tear down your faith) and bad habits. Good company is important. Either that or solitude. The efforts will have a cumulative effect sooner or later. Let us hope sooner! We are going on retreat for a few days--see you all later! Kendra _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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