Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Hi It looks silly to have all these Buy stock etc in Ramakrishna email. Can some one do something. It is ridiculous. Hope some one will have sense and act. With regards Gopi At 03:56 PM 29/04/02 +0000, Ramakrishna wrote: > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk >------ > >There are 6 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Direction of Science....work in London > " sunderh " <sunderh > 2. Question! > patrizia14 > 3. Direction of Science....work in London > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > 4. VML-4/29/02 > ananta <sarada > 5. Qualified teacher of Raja Yoga > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > 6. First All Kerala Sri Ramakrishna Bhakta Sammelan > srivrindavan <srivrindavan > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:23:05 -0000 > " sunderh " <sunderh >Re: Direction of Science....work in London > >Namaste Jay, > > In one sense even the search after Truth of the 'hard >sciences' is a waffle! The end result/goal has to be stated too - eg >Physical immortality? Perpetual sensory satisfaction? Total control >of Nature? > > Though science can be pretentiously equated with Vedanta, >'values' [axiology], a prerequisite for jnana-marga, is notably >ignored, the result being the Frankenstein that now haunts the planet. > > The goal of Vedanta/Spiritual disciplines is stated as >salvation/liberation/freedom/beatitude [soteriology], and there have >been innumerable instances of individuals whose sublime lives have >served as models for humanity. > > >Regards, > >Sunder > > > > >Ramakrishna, " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda@b...> >wrote: > > - > > " sunderh " > > Saturday, April 27, 2002 06:11 > > Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Direction of Science....work in >London > > > > > > > Namaste Jay, > > > > > > Best wishes for a successful adventure. > > > > > > Just as a point of interest, the climb from 'science' > > > to 'spirit' may be so steep that without acclimatising to a less > > > rarefied atmosphere of the 'soft sciences', like sociology, > > > economics, etc., the dialogue may be short-lived. > > > > > > It is the 'soft sciences' that point the way 'moral > > > science', a step closer to the 'spirit'. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Dear Mahasaya > > > > No doubt, the task is very difficult but unfortunately my expertise > > is in 'hard sciences' so I am stuck with it. : ) > > > > The good thing is that any contribution in the name of spirituality > > in the 'soft sciences' may be construed as mere waffle and ignored. > > While in the 'hard sciences' the contribution has to be sharp and > > well defined. There is no room for waffle. The consequences > > of such a challenge cannot be ignored and can be far reaching. > > > > With the grace of the 'old man' even this can happen. > > : ) > > > > jay > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > 29 Apr 2002 06:12:01 -0000 > patrizia14 >Question! > > >I have come to read some of the wrintings of Swami Vivekananda by chance >and they have deeply struck me. > >Mostly the item of the non-use of religion unless it leads to a direct >experience of God which is something I feel to be very true. > >I would like to have some suggestions on which could be the very first >steps on the way described by Swami Vivekananda. In the writings about >Raja Yoga he gives some practical hints but he says that pepople should >practice under the control of a teacher or guru. >Can you please give some simple suggestions? >Thank you very much! >Patrizia > >-------------------- >Compra e vendi su eBay. >http://www.supereva.it/cgi-bin/rd.cgi?ebay_c > >messaggio inviato con Freemail by www.superEva.it >-------------------- > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:30:31 +0100 > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda >Direction of Science....work in London > >An interesting exchange of views on Direction of Science.... > >- > " sunderh " >Subject:Direction of Science....work in London > > > > Namaste Jay, > > > > In one sense even the search after Truth of the 'hard > > sciences' is a waffle! The end result/goal has to be stated too - eg > > Physical immortality? Perpetual sensory satisfaction? Total control > > of Nature? > > > > Though science can be pretentiously equated with Vedanta, > > 'values' [axiology], a prerequisite for jnana-marga, is notably > > ignored, the result being the Frankenstein that now haunts the planet. > > > > The goal of Vedanta/Spiritual disciplines is stated as > > salvation/liberation/freedom/beatitude [soteriology], and there have > > been innumerable instances of individuals whose sublime lives have > > served as models for humanity. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunder > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dear Mahasaya > >Yes, in a way everything - even this analysis - can be termed as >a waffle but there is a degree involved which distinguishes >the 'hard sciences' from the 'soft sciences'. > >Some soft sciences like the 'social sciences' are indirectly invoking >spiritual elements but they are introduced as 'a priory' requirements >within their own frameworks and they will not allow these terms to >be called 'spiritual'. I will deliberately give a very simplistic example >to show up this bias. No biological science has given a valid reason >- why we should care for other living things. This may appear trivial but >the answer does not come naturally out of the biological findings. >The answer is introduced as 'a priory'. (This is how this issue >would be resolved by social sciences: " Surely there is no question >of why do good to other living things. You are living, don't you like good >things to happen to you? By extending this idea of doing good to others >you are going to reap the indirect benefit of good things happening to you. >See.. how good it sounds without reference to anything spiritual?). > >I am deliberately using this simplistic example to show how >'a priory' enters into the soft sciences and manages to displace >anything that even remotely can be termed as 'spiritual' entering >this field. This is why 'soft sciences' will consider usage >of 'spiritual' terms as just re-naming their own 'a priory' concepts. >Not worth bothering with....... they will tell us. : ) > >There is a marked difference when we deal with a hard science like >Physics. Here the demarcation lines are very sharp. This >pretentious science : ) of today is attempting to peer into the nature >of reality, and is finding that things are seriously missing and admits >that the things missing 'are not and cannot be material'. This is the >adamantine conclusion. This is not a temporary hitch, neither is this >limitation of ability or equipment -- This problem is at the heart of >reality. What are we dealing with? The ancient concepts borrowed >from the Greek thinkers to make sense of this world fall apart. >Where do you think the answer lies? > >The ball is in our court.... should I not pick it up and run? > > : ) >jay >Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 4 > Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:49:28 -0400 > ananta <sarada >VML-4/29/02 > >We should, therefore, follow reason and also sympathize with those >who do not come to any sort of belief, following reason. For it is >better that mankind should become atheist by following reason than >blindly believe in two hundred millions of gods on the authority of >anybody. What we want is progress, development, realization. No >theories ever made men higher. No amount of books can help us to >become purer. The only power is in realization, and that lies in >ourselves and comes from thinking. > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 5 > Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:38:36 +0100 > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda >Qualified teacher of Raja Yoga > >Question from Patrizia: >patrizia14 > >I have come to read some of the wrintings of Swami Vivekananda >by chance and they have deeply struck me. > >Mostly the item of the non-use of religion unless it leads to a >direct experience of God which is something I feel to be very true. > >I would like to have some suggestions on which could be the very >first steps on the way described by Swami Vivekananda. In the >writings about Raja Yoga he gives some practical hints but he >says that pepople should practice under the control of a teacher >or guru. Can you please give some simple suggestions? >Thank you very much! >Patrizia patrizia14 > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~one response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dear Patrizia > >You have raised a very valid question. >I have given my response at the end of this message. >Some of our learned list members may wish to respond too. > >Swami Vivekananda clearly says that you should not >take up Raja Yoga without the help of a qualified teacher. > >Where do we get a qualified teacher? >Not easy. > >Swami Vivekananda has also commented that if and >when you are ready, a qualified teacher will come looking >for you. It is a bit like the law of supply and demand. >He has also suggested that until you find a qualified >teacher you should perhaps rely on your innerself >as the guide and pray for that inner awakening. > >jay > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 6 > Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:20:59 -0700 (PDT) > srivrindavan <srivrindavan >First All Kerala Sri Ramakrishna Bhakta Sammelan > > >Receipt no : > > >OM NAMO BHAGAVATE SRI RAMAKRISHNAYA > > FIRST ALL KERALA SRI RAMAKRISHNA BHAKTA SAMMELAN - ERNAKULAM > >10, 11th AND 12th MAY,2002 > > >Contact Address : Sri C. Vasudevan >Ramakrishna Math, Vyttila, Cochin - 682 019 Ph: 0484-301860 > rkmkochi > >MAN IS DIVINE > >VENUE: BHAVAN'S VIDYAMANDIR, ELAMAKKARA, ERNAKULAM > > > Programme > >10th May 2002 > >4.00 p.m. : Registration of Delegates, issuing >badges and allotting rooms etc, > >5.00 p.m. : Tea > >5.00p.m. - 6.00 p.m. : Drama on " Sangeetha shilpam " > By Sri Ramakrishna Gurukula > Vidya Mandir, Thrissur > >6.15p.m. -6.00p.m : Arati performance; Srimat Swami Yogirajanandaji Mj > Arati Songs & Bhajans: > Srimat Swami Swaprabhanandaji Mj >7.00p.m.-7.30p.m. : Bhajans: Smt.Akhila Narayanaswamy and Party ,Trichy >7.30 p.m. : Anugraha Prabhashanam: 1) Srimat Swami >Sakranandaji Mj: > 2) Srimat Swami > Gautamanandaji Mj > >8.30 p.m. : Night Prasad > >---------- >----------------- >11th May, 2002 > >5.30 a.m. - 6.30 a.m. : Mangalarati : Srimat Swami Swaprabhanandaji > Suprabhatam, Bhajans and > Meditation > By Mrs. Akhila > Narayanaswamy and Group, Trichy > >7.00a.m. - 8.00 a.m. : Breakfast > >8.00 a.m. : Purnakumbha for Swamijis-: > Sri C.Vasudevan,Sri > Shankara Menon and Dr.E.K.Rajamohanan > >8.15 a.m. : Vedic Chanting : Monks of Ramakrishna >Math > > Lighting of 3 Lamps by: > Srimat Swami Sakranandaji Mj > Srimat Swami > Gautamanandaji Mj > Dr. Lakshmi Kumari & Sri > Jayan >8.35 a.m. : Opening Song: Thyagabrahmam Sri T.S. >Radhakrishnan > >8.45 a.m. : Welcome Address: Shri C.Vasudevan > >9.00 a.m-9.30 a.m. : Inaugural Address : Srimat Swami >Siddhinathanandaji Mj > >President : Srimat Swami Gautamanandaji Mj > >9.30a.m.-10.00a.m. : Samanvayacharya Sri Ramakrishna' > Srimat Swami Mridanandaji Mj >10.00a.m.-10.30a.m. : 'The Message of Sri Ramakrishna for the Modern World' > Srimat Swami Gautamanandaji Mj >10.30a.m.-10.45a.m. : Tea Break >10.45a.m.-11.15a.m. : Bhajans:Thiruvathira Bhajana Samajam, Ernakulam >11.15a.m.-11.45a.m. : 'Ananda-hasya-rasa in Sri Ramakrishna' > Srimat Swami > Aptalokanandaji Mj >11.45a.m.-12.15p.m. : 'Divinity of Man' > Srimat Swami > Gabhiranandaji Mj >12.15p.m.-12.45p.m. : Sri Ramakrishna Ashtottarashata Namam > Srimat > SwamiVirabhadranandaji Mj > Arati : Srimat Swami Aptalokanandaji Mj >12.45p.m.-2.00p.m. : Noon Prasad > >President:Srimat Swami Swaprabhanandaji Mj >2.00p.m.-2.30p.m. : Bhajans: Sri Sarada Bhajana Mandali, Ernakulam > >2.30p.m.-3.00p.m. : What we have learnt from Ramakrishna Movement; > 1) Sri C.S. Muralidharan 2) > Ms.T. Indira 3) Sri M. Bhaskaran Pillai >3.00p.m.-3.30p.m. : Applied Spirituality the need of the hour > Sri Srikumar,Senior > Vice-President, Apollo Tyres ltd >3.30p.m.-4.00p.m. : 'Practicality and Sri Ramakrishna' > Srimat Swami > Swaprabhananda Ji >4.00p.m.-4.15p.m. : Tea >4.15p.m.-4.25p.m. : Reading: Sri Ramakrishna Vacanamritam > Smt. Radha Varma >4.25p.m.-5.45p.m. : Harikatha ; " Sri Sarada Devi " > Smt.Vijaya Vasudevan & Group > >6.00p.m.-6.30p.m : Arati:Srimat Swami Muktipriyanandaji Mj >Arati Songs : Srimat Swami Swaprabhanandaji Mj > >6.30p.m.-8.45p.m. : Devotional Music-Classical Music > By Kumari Varija Shree & > party, Bangalore > >8.45 p.m. : Night Prasad > > >---------- >------------------ >12th May, 2002 > > >5.30 a.m.-6.00a.m. : Mangalarati; Srimat Swasamvedyanandaji Mj > Suprabhatam , Stotram and > Meditation > Srimat Swami Swaprabhanandaji Mj > >6.00 a.m.-8.00a.m. : Visit to Vyttila Ramakrishna Math And Breakfast > > >8.00a.m.-8.30a.m : Bhajans- Mrs. Akhila Narayanaswamy & Party, Trichy > >President:Srimat Swami Atmaramanandaji Mj > >8.30a.m.-9.00 a.m. :'Bhakti Mukti Pradayini Sri Sarada Ma' > Pravrajika Dhruvaprana Mata Ji > >9.00a.m.-9.30a.m. : 'Message of Swami Vivekananda' > Pravrajika Tapaprana Mataji > >9.30a.m.-10.00a.m. : Meditation-Srimat Swami Virabhadranandaji Mj > >10.00a.m.-10.15a.m.:Tea > >10.15a.m.-10.45a.m. :Bhjans: Smt.Rajani Viswanathan, Ernakulam >10.45a.m.-11.15a.m. :' Seva and Sri Sarada Devi >' >Srimat Swami Prashantanandaji Mj >11.15a.m.-11.45a.m. : 'Work and it's Secret' > >Srimat Swami Atmavidanandaji Mj >11.45a.m.-12.15p.m. :'Seva hi Paramodharmah' > >Srimat Swami Atmaramanandaji Mj >12.15p.m.-12.45p.m ' Sri Ramakrishna Our Refuge' >Srimat Swami Tattwamayanandaji MJ > >Arati:Srimat Swami Swasamvedyanandaji Mj >12.45p.m.-2.00p.m. :Noon Prasad > >President: Srimat Swami Sakranandaji Mj > >2.00p.m.-2.30p.m. : Bhajans :Kumari VishnuPriya, Mettur Dam > >2.30p.m.-3.00p.m. : Sri Ramakrishna's Advise on Spiritual Practice > Srimat Swami Atmaswarupanandaji Mj > 'Value based Education and > Vivekananda' >3.00p.m.-3.30 p.m. :Guest of Honor: Senior Justice Sri T.L. Viswanatha Iyer > Chairman-Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan , > Kochi Kendra >3.30p.m.-4.00p.m. : Presidential Address:' The work before us' > Srimat Swami Sakranandaji Mj >4.00p.m.-4.15p.m. : Release of Souvenir - By Srimat Swami Gautamanandaji Mj > First 3 copies received by 1) > Swami Kaivalyananda ji Mj > 2) Senior Justice Sri Viswanatha > Iyer > 3)Sri Vasudevan Namboodiri, > Mannarasala >4.15p.m.-4.30p.m. : Tea > >4.30p.m.-4.45p.m. : Deciding the Venue for the Next Bhakta Sammelan and >Handing over of the Sammelan >Banner by Srimat Swami Sakranandaji Mj > >4.45p.m.-6.00p.m. : Pathakam: 'Sri Ramakrishna Guru Maharaja' > Edanadu Sri Rajan Nambiar > >6.00p.m- 6.30 p.m. : Words of Grattitude - Sri Shankara Menon > Yati Puja >6.30p.m : Closing Song : Thyagabrahmam SriT.S. >Radhakrishnan, Ernakulam > > >Arati to Sri Ramakrishna > >************************************************************ > > > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Ramakrishna, Gopinath Chattopadhyay <g.chattopadhyay@q...> wrote: > Hi > It looks silly to have all these Buy stock etc in Ramakrishna email. Can > some one do something. It is ridiculous. > Hope some one will have sense and act. > With regards > Gopi > I avoid the advertisement and loss of time by reading the messages through Ramakrishna/messages/?expand=1 Others may try the same. With regards Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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