Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 In spiritual quest an aspirant often faces a peculiar dilemma or question of ‘Divine Grace’ vs. ‘Free Will’. However, there is no easy and satisfactory answer to this problem. On the one hand, the Scriptures maintain that no amount of self effort can be enough to realize Divine Consciousness, and on the other, it proclaims that Divine Grace cannot come without sincere efforts and spiritual practice! How to resolve these two contradictory statements? Read complete article at: http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/a125.html -- c s shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Reproduction of a previous posting in srk_devotees: -- Sarat Maharaj says: " It seems that our progress in life is often retarded because we very often fail to understand the significance of these two sets of teachings of the Master and strike a balance between free will and pre-destination, self-effort and self-surrender. " In Sri Ramakrishna's own words: " All Jackals howl alike! " (meaning to say, all great Masters speak the same Truth). So here are two descriptions of the same, the one according to Sri Ramakrishna and followed by the other in the words of Christ ! " There is, however, one thing: He does not give one more power, if the little that is given is not properly used. This is why individual effort and perseverance are necessary. Don't you see, everyone has to make some effort, however small, before he gets God's grace? " -- Sri Ramakrishna " Take therefore the one talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. " - Jesus The Christ (Matthew 25: 14) *-------*-------*-------*-------* -------*-------* 6. To the class of devotees who think that the efforts of the incarnations of God for the attainment of truth or the fullest manifestation thereof in life are mere simulation, our answer is that we never heard the Master express such a view. Rather, we have heard him say often, " When the Divine sports as a human being, He behaves exactly like an ordinary man and experiences weal and woe and attains perfection by dint of personal effort, endeavor and austerity. " The history of the religions of the world bears witness to this. Besides, it is clear that otherwise the very purpose of the Divinity incarnating will itself be defeated. The Master's teachings on the question of free will and self-surrender can be classified into two categories. On the one hand we find him saying to his devotees: " I have cooked the food, just sit down and partake of it " ; " The mold is prepared, now cast your own minds in it and get the form " ; " If you cannot do anything at all, give me your power of attorney " . On the other hand, we find him also instructing: " Give up all desires one by one, that is the way to success " ; " Be like a cast-off leaf blown by the wind " ; " Give up lust and greed and call on God " ; " I have done all the sixteen parts, do at least one part yourselves. " It seems that our progress in life is often retarded because we very often fail to understand the significance of these two sets of teachings of the Master and strike a balance between free will and pre-destination, self-effort and self-surrender. One day at Dakshineswar we had a long discussion with one of our friends, Swami Niranjanananda, on free will and pre-destination, and not being able to arrive at any conclusion, went to the Master for a solution of our difficulty. The Master was amused at our boyish discussion at first, but then added seriously, " Is there any one who has free will or anything like that? It is by God's will alone that everything has always happened and shall happen. Man understands it in the long run. But then something has to be added. Just as, when a cow is tied to a post with a long tether, it can stand at a distance of one cubit from the post, or it can go up to the whole length of the tether according to its choice, so too it is with the free will of man. A man ties a cow with the idea, 'Let her lie down, stand or move about as she likes within that area.' Similarly God has given man some power. And He has also given him freedom to utilize it as he likes. That is why man feels himself free. But the rope is fastened to the post. And mark this: If anyone prays to Him in all humility, He may remove him to another place and tie him there; or He may lengthen its tether or even remove it completely from his neck. " Thus instructed, we asked, " Is it then that man has no duty or responsibility in the matter of practicing spiritual disciplines? Can he say, 'Whatever I do, is according to His will' ? " The Master replied: " Of what avail is it merely to say so? They are empty words. Is there any use telling, 'There is no thorn; it is no pricking', when you actually cry out 'ugh', startled on touching the thorn. If men were free to practice Sadhana, all would have undertaken it. But how is it that they can't? There is, however, one thing: He does not give one more power, if the little that is given is not properly used. This is why individual effort and perseverance are necessary. Don't you see, everyone has to make some effort, however small, before he gets God's grace? When one does so, the experience due to be undergone in ten lives will come to fruition in one, and man will attain to spiritual realization immediately. But one has to make some effort. Listen to a story: 7. " Vishnu, who eternally sports in Goloka, for some reason, cursed Narada that he should go to hell. Narada's anxiety knew no bounds. He sang hymns in His praise and pleased Him. Then he said, 'O Lord, I wish to know what and where hell is and how many kinds of hell there are. Please be gracious to tell me all about it.' Vishnu then drew on the ground with a piece of chalk, heaven, earth and hell as they were situated, and said, 'This is heaven and this is hell.' Narada said, 'Is that so? My experience of the suffering of hell can then be undergone here as well.' So saying, he rolled on the hell drawn on the ground, got up and bowed down to the Lord. Vishnu smiled and said, 'What's that? Can that be suffering hell?' Narada replied, 'Why not, Lord? Are not heaven and hell your creations? When you drew hell and called it such, the spot really became hell. And when I rolled on it, it was a real suffering of hell for me.' Narada said so with deep faith. That was why Vishnu said, 'Be it so'. But Narada had to roll on that hell drawn on the ground with true devotion and faith. It was by making that little effort that his suffering was annulled. " The Master explained to us from time to time with the help of this story, how there was room for perseverance and individual effort in the realm of grace too. " Divine Incarnation as a Sadhaka " Sri Ramakrishna, The Great Master by Swami Saradananda © Sri Ramakrishna Math, Mylapore, Madras - 600 014. *-------*-------*-------*-------* -------*-------* The parable of the talents Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. (Matthew 25: 14) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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