Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 I think Vivekananda retained a thread of individuality in order to do " Mother's work " as he often said. When that work was completed, he saw no point of hanging around any longer. It was clear that Swamiji had a Divine mission from the moment Sri Ramakrishna layed his eyes upon him. Vivekananda was an really just an extension of Sri Ramakrishna's mission- in the same way that St. Paul was the messenger of Christ. In that sense, only Sri Ramakrishna knows the answer to this paradox.... RD --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: > Paradox of Vivekananda's realization > > > Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state > that RK had said > about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he > is he will leave > the world and it seems that that's exactly what > happened. I find this > interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda > was a > teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most > people agree > that he was a realized soul. What that means to me > is that he had > realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). > What else could such > a person realize that would make him leave the > world? Can somebody > shed any light on this apparent paradox? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with > the relationship > between the relative and the absolute. How can the > absolute > truly interact with the relative? How do God-men > incarnate? > How do they keep their own nature hidden from > themselves? > Beyond me...... Other list members may have better > explanation. > > regards > jay > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Namaste, Swamiji's individuality had already merged with Thakurji's Kali. Swamiji had expressed his wish to remain absorbed in Samadhi after Thakurji gave him his first taste of Nirvikalpa state. Thakur had then told him that he will retain that 'key' until he had finished his mission. It is also mentioned in Swamiji's biography that when he visited the Amarnath cave he had a vision of Shiva who granted him the wish of 'ichchhaa-mR^ityu', meaning he could leave his bodily cage when he wished. Regards, Sunder Ramakrishna, R D <jaguarxox> wrote: > I think Vivekananda retained a thread of individuality > in order to do " Mother's work " as he often said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 >Paradox of Vivekananda's realization > > >Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state that RK had said >about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he is he will leave >the world and it seems that that's exactly what happened. I find this >interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda was a >teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most people agree >that he was a realized soul. What that means to me is that he had >realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). What else could such >a person realize that would make him leave the world? Can somebody >shed any light on this apparent paradox? > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with the relationship >between the relative and the absolute. How can the absolute >truly interact with the relative? How do God-men incarnate? >How do they keep their own nature hidden from themselves? >Beyond me...... Other list members may have better explanation. > >regards >jay > >I've always taken this to mean, " when he finds out who he was in the world >drama; the chosen apostle of the Lord; the one who would affect human >thinking for eight centuries; ie. his role in history. " Best wishes, Yogeshananda > > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Actually Swami vivekananda also got a doubt about the same During his wandering days as a monk. After Bhagwan Ramakrishna passed away , during his travel he has expressed the same Doubt to Mr.Pramada Das Mitra (Letters Of Swami Vivekakanda)about the End of Advaita state , like Adi shankara Acharya expounds his philosophy as the end of Advaita state is a " place where there is no more the function of Creation " meaning the Brahma loka or the Sphere Of Brahma. --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: > Paradox of Vivekananda's realization > > > Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state > that RK had said > about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he > is he will leave > the world and it seems that that's exactly what > happened. I find this > interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda > was a > teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most > people agree > that he was a realized soul. What that means to me > is that he had > realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). > What else could such > a person realize that would make him leave the > world? Can somebody > shed any light on this apparent paradox? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with > the relationship > between the relative and the absolute. How can the > absolute > truly interact with the relative? How do God-men > incarnate? > How do they keep their own nature hidden from > themselves? > Beyond me...... Other list members may have better > explanation. > > regards > jay > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Namaste!!1 Every one... can any one tell me an address of Vivekanand Center london, I am in Ireland, Very Soon i am going to londn & I would love to visit the same...... Regard to all, Chirag Thaker Swami Yogeshananda <yogeshananda wrote: >Paradox of Vivekananda's realization>>>Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state that RK had said>about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he is he will leave>the world and it seems that that's exactly what happened. I find this>interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda was a>teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most people agree>that he was a realized soul. What that means to me is that he had>realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). What else could such>a person realize that would make him leave the world? Can somebody>shed any light on this apparent paradox?>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with the relationship>between the relative and the absolute. How can the absolute>truly interact with the relative? How do God-men incarnate?>How do they keep their own nature hidden from themselves?>Beyond me...... Other list members may have better explanation.>>regards>jay>>I've always taken this to mean, "when he finds out who he was in the world>drama; the chosen apostle of the Lord; the one who would affect human>thinking for eight centuries; ie. his role in history."Best wishes, Yogeshananda>>>Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah>Vivekananda Centre London>http://www.vivekananda.co.uk>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Namaste, If we recall Thakurji's own description of his vision, Swamiji was one of the 'sapt-R^ishi'-s in the firmament, whom he pleaded to come with him to this planet. Regards, Sunder Ramakrishna, chakradhar chadalapaka <chakradhar_chadalapaka> wrote: > Actually Swami vivekananda also got a doubt about the > same During his wandering days as a monk. > > After Bhagwan Ramakrishna passed away , during his > travel he has expressed the same Doubt to Mr.Pramada > Das Mitra (Letters Of Swami Vivekakanda)about the End > of Advaita state , like Adi shankara Acharya expounds > his philosophy as the end of Advaita state is a " place > where there is no more the function of Creation " > meaning the Brahma loka or the Sphere Of Brahma. > > > > --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda@b...> > wrote: > > Paradox of Vivekananda's realization > > > > > > Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state > > that RK had said > > about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he > > is he will leave > > the world and it seems that that's exactly what > > happened. I find this > > interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda > > was a > > teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most > > people agree > > that he was a realized soul. What that means to me > > is that he had > > realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). > > What else could such > > a person realize that would make him leave the > > world? Can somebody > > shed any light on this apparent paradox? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with > > the relationship > > between the relative and the absolute. How can the > > absolute > > truly interact with the relative? How do God-men > > incarnate? > > How do they keep their own nature hidden from > > themselves? > > Beyond me...... Other list members may have better > > explanation. > > > > regards > > jay > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 may i add my guesses to the query as well...Vivekananda himself said that the path to Brahman is an infinite progression...one never stops growing even after merging with Brahman. the individual identity may be lost but who knows what identities are there in the other worlds...and Brahman itself is growing...growing . It was time for the Swamiji to resume his growth in other planes...yet one thinks he is still in the relative plane looking to our needs and sacrificing his personal growth... all this is on the guessing plane.. > > Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state > > that RK had said > > about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he > > is he will leave > > the world and it seems that that's exactly what > > happened. I find this > > interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda > > was a > > teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most > > people agree > > that he was a realized soul. What that means to me > > is that he had > > realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). > > What else could such > > a person realize that would make him leave the > > world? Can somebody > > shed any light on this apparent paradox? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with > > the relationship > > between the relative and the absolute. How can the > > absolute > > truly interact with the relative? How do God-men > > incarnate? > > How do they keep their own nature hidden from > > themselves? > > Beyond me...... Other list members may have better > > explanation. > > > > regards > > jay > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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