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I think Vivekananda retained a thread of individuality

in order to do " Mother's work " as he often said. When

that work was completed, he saw no point of hanging

around any longer. It was clear that Swamiji had a

Divine mission from the moment Sri Ramakrishna layed

his eyes upon him. Vivekananda was an really just an

extension of Sri Ramakrishna's mission- in the same

way that St. Paul was the messenger of Christ. In that

sense, only Sri Ramakrishna knows the answer to this

paradox....

 

RD

 

--- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda

wrote:

> Paradox of Vivekananda's realization

>

>

> Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state

> that RK had said

> about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he

> is he will leave

> the world and it seems that that's exactly what

> happened. I find this

> interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda

> was a

> teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most

> people agree

> that he was a realized soul. What that means to me

> is that he had

> realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman).

> What else could such

> a person realize that would make him leave the

> world? Can somebody

> shed any light on this apparent paradox?

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with

> the relationship

> between the relative and the absolute. How can the

> absolute

> truly interact with the relative? How do God-men

> incarnate?

> How do they keep their own nature hidden from

> themselves?

> Beyond me...... Other list members may have better

> explanation.

>

> regards

> jay

>

>

>

>

> Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

>

>

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Namaste,

 

Swamiji's individuality had already merged with Thakurji's

Kali. Swamiji had expressed his wish to remain absorbed in Samadhi

after Thakurji gave him his first taste of Nirvikalpa state. Thakur

had then told him that he will retain that 'key' until he had

finished his mission.

 

It is also mentioned in Swamiji's biography that when he

visited the Amarnath cave he had a vision of Shiva who granted him

the wish of 'ichchhaa-mR^ityu', meaning he could leave his bodily

cage when he wished.

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

Ramakrishna, R D <jaguarxox> wrote:

> I think Vivekananda retained a thread of individuality

> in order to do " Mother's work " as he often said.

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>Paradox of Vivekananda's realization

>

>

>Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state that RK had said

>about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he is he will leave

>the world and it seems that that's exactly what happened. I find this

>interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda was a

>teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most people agree

>that he was a realized soul. What that means to me is that he had

>realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). What else could such

>a person realize that would make him leave the world? Can somebody

>shed any light on this apparent paradox?

>

>

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with the relationship

>between the relative and the absolute. How can the absolute

>truly interact with the relative? How do God-men incarnate?

>How do they keep their own nature hidden from themselves?

>Beyond me...... Other list members may have better explanation.

>

>regards

>jay

>

>I've always taken this to mean, " when he finds out who he was in the world

>drama; the chosen apostle of the Lord; the one who would affect human

>thinking for eight centuries; ie. his role in history. "

Best wishes, Yogeshananda

>

>

>Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

>Vivekananda Centre London

>http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

>

>

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Actually Swami vivekananda also got a doubt about the

same During his wandering days as a monk.

 

After Bhagwan Ramakrishna passed away , during his

travel he has expressed the same Doubt to Mr.Pramada

Das Mitra (Letters Of Swami Vivekakanda)about the End

of Advaita state , like Adi shankara Acharya expounds

his philosophy as the end of Advaita state is a " place

where there is no more the function of Creation "

meaning the Brahma loka or the Sphere Of Brahma.

 

 

 

--- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda

wrote:

> Paradox of Vivekananda's realization

>

>

> Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state

> that RK had said

> about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he

> is he will leave

> the world and it seems that that's exactly what

> happened. I find this

> interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda

> was a

> teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most

> people agree

> that he was a realized soul. What that means to me

> is that he had

> realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman).

> What else could such

> a person realize that would make him leave the

> world? Can somebody

> shed any light on this apparent paradox?

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with

> the relationship

> between the relative and the absolute. How can the

> absolute

> truly interact with the relative? How do God-men

> incarnate?

> How do they keep their own nature hidden from

> themselves?

> Beyond me...... Other list members may have better

> explanation.

>

> regards

> jay

>

>

>

>

> Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

>

>

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Namaste!!1 Every one...

can any one tell me an address of Vivekanand Center london, I am in Ireland, Very Soon i am going to londn & I would love to visit the same......

Regard to all,

Chirag Thaker

Swami Yogeshananda <yogeshananda wrote: >Paradox of Vivekananda's realization>>>Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state that RK had said>about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he is he will leave>the world and it seems that that's exactly what happened. I find this>interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda was a>teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most people agree>that he was a realized soul. What that means to me is that he had>realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman). What else could such>a person realize that would make him leave the world? Can somebody>shed any light on this apparent paradox?>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with the relationship>between the relative and the absolute. How can the absolute>truly interact with the relative? How do God-men incarnate?>How do they keep their own nature hidden from themselves?>Beyond me...... Other list members may have better explanation.>>regards>jay>>I've always taken this to mean, "when he finds out who he was in the world>drama; the chosen apostle of the Lord; the one who would affect human>thinking for eight centuries; ie. his role in history."Best wishes, Yogeshananda>>>Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah>Vivekananda Centre London>http://www.vivekananda.co.uk>>

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Namaste,

 

If we recall Thakurji's own description of his vision,

Swamiji was one of the 'sapt-R^ishi'-s in the firmament, whom he

pleaded to come with him to this planet.

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

Ramakrishna, chakradhar chadalapaka

<chakradhar_chadalapaka> wrote:

> Actually Swami vivekananda also got a doubt about the

> same During his wandering days as a monk.

>

> After Bhagwan Ramakrishna passed away , during his

> travel he has expressed the same Doubt to Mr.Pramada

> Das Mitra (Letters Of Swami Vivekakanda)about the End

> of Advaita state , like Adi shankara Acharya expounds

> his philosophy as the end of Advaita state is a " place

> where there is no more the function of Creation "

> meaning the Brahma loka or the Sphere Of Brahma.

>

>

>

> --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda@b...>

> wrote:

> > Paradox of Vivekananda's realization

> >

> >

> > Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state

> > that RK had said

> > about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he

> > is he will leave

> > the world and it seems that that's exactly what

> > happened. I find this

> > interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda

> > was a

> > teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most

> > people agree

> > that he was a realized soul. What that means to me

> > is that he had

> > realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman).

> > What else could such

> > a person realize that would make him leave the

> > world? Can somebody

> > shed any light on this apparent paradox?

> >

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with

> > the relationship

> > between the relative and the absolute. How can the

> > absolute

> > truly interact with the relative? How do God-men

> > incarnate?

> > How do they keep their own nature hidden from

> > themselves?

> > Beyond me...... Other list members may have better

> > explanation.

> >

> > regards

> > jay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> > Vivekananda Centre London

> > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

> >

> >

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may i add my guesses to the query as well...Vivekananda himself said that

the path to Brahman is an infinite progression...one never stops growing

even after merging with Brahman. the individual identity may be lost but who

knows what identities are there in the other worlds...and Brahman itself is

growing...growing .

 

It was time for the Swamiji to resume his growth in other planes...yet one

thinks he is still in the relative plane looking to our needs and

sacrificing his personal growth...

 

all this is on the guessing plane..

 

> > Some of the Ramakrishna's (RK) biographies state

> > that RK had said

> > about Vivekananda that the day he finds out who he

> > is he will leave

> > the world and it seems that that's exactly what

> > happened. I find this

> > interesting for the following reason. Vivekananda

> > was a

> > teacher/follower of Advaita Vedanta and I think most

> > people agree

> > that he was a realized soul. What that means to me

> > is that he had

> > realized the highest/absolute reality (brahman).

> > What else could such

> > a person realize that would make him leave the

> > world? Can somebody

> > shed any light on this apparent paradox?

> >

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > Really difficult to answer. Here we are dealing with

> > the relationship

> > between the relative and the absolute. How can the

> > absolute

> > truly interact with the relative? How do God-men

> > incarnate?

> > How do they keep their own nature hidden from

> > themselves?

> > Beyond me...... Other list members may have better

> > explanation.

> >

> > regards

> > jay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> > Vivekananda Centre London

> > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

> >

> >

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