Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Mohana Rao Garu, Love and Love alone.... Many thanks for your kind words, which have been redirected to HIM with all love and devotion. To me also, Sri Murthy's words are very important. Yad bhaavam tad bhavati is an age-old saying of Hindu philosophy. Let me reproduce what Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi said about pre-determined fate and free will. If you undrestand this, I am sure, you will appreciate well what Sri Murthy said. Is Everything Ordained? By Devaraja Mudaliar ONE summer afternoon I was sitting opposite Bhagavan in the Old Hall with a fan in my hand and said to him: " I can understand that the outstanding events in a man's life, such as his country, nationality, family, career or profession, marriage, death, etc. are all predestined by his karma, but can it be that all the details of his life, down to the minutest, have already been determined? Now, for instance, I put this fan that is in my hand down on the floor here. Can it be that it was already decided that on such and such a day, at such and a such an hour, I shall move the fan like this and put it down here? " Bhagavan replied " Certainly. " He continued: " Whatever this body is to do and whatever experiences it is to pass through was already decided when it came into existence. " Thereupon I naturally exclaimed: " What becomes then of man's freedom and responsibility for his actions? " Bhagavan explained: " The only freedom man has is to strive for and acquire the jnana which will enable him not to identify himself with the body. The body will go through the actions rendered inevitable by prarabdha (destiny based on the balance sheet of past lives) and a man is free either to identify himself with the body and be attached to the fruits of its actions, or to be detached from it and be a mere witness of its activities. " This may not be acceptable to many learned people or philosophers, but I am sure I have made no error in transmitting as above the gist of the conversation that took place between Bhagavan and me. Though this answer of Bhagavan may upset the apple cart of our careful reasonings and conclusions, I am satisfied that what Bhagavan said must be the truth. I also recall in this connection the following lines that Bhagavan once quoted to me from Thayumanavar on another occasion: " This is not to be taught to all. Even if we tell them, it will only lead to endless discussion. " It may be well to remind readers that Bhagavan has given his classic answer to the age-old question " Can freewill conquer fate? " as follows in his Forty Verses. " Such questions worry only those who have not found the source of both freewill and fate. Those who have found this source have left all such discussions behind. " The usual reaction of Bhagavan to any such question would be to retort: " Who is it that has this fate or freewill? Find that out and then this question will not arise. " = = = = AND THIS ALSO A will is free only so long as it has not acted. Once it acts, then that very act becomes binding on it. The second time it acts, it does not act as a free will, but as a " calculating will " , for it carries the experience of the first act with it. And a calculating will is not a free will, but a limited will. The very creations or acts of a free will work as limiting factors upon it and guide it in its future activity. So, the more experiences one has, the more his will is guided and thus limited. And this is real predestination. There is thus no antagonism between predestination, fate, karma, and free will. We were free at one time. We acted, and then our acts became binding upon us. They curtailed our initial freedom. They now act upon us as unavoidable fate. Since our experiences have become complex and varied, these experiences now appear in us as joys and fears, hopes and desires, each of which in its turn moulds or fashions our reason and intellect. Intellect, reason and feeling, being what they have been fashioned to be, now determine our actions and make us choose the predestined course. Thus the acts of one life determine the framework of the next life. Like farmers, we are now living on the crop we gathered last, while we are preparing the soil and putting in the seed of the new crop. Although we must undergo our fate, there being no escape from it, yet all is not lost if we use the little freedom we have in such a manner as to lead to our ultimate rescue. I hope, Moohana Rao Garu, the above will satisfactorily and conclusively answer your questions. Love and Love alone..... P. Gopi Krishna ======== " J. K. Mohana Rao " <jkmrao wrote: --- Paritala Gopi Krishna wrote: > > My young friends, I would like to end with some words of advice. Do > you believe that your future is pre-ordained, and is already set? Or, > do you believe that your future is yet to be written and that it will > depend upon the sometimes fortuitous events? > > Do you believe that these events can provide turning points to which > you will respond with your energy and enthusiasm? Do you believe that > you will learn from these events and that you will reflect on your > setbacks? Do you believe that you will examine your successes with > even greater care? > I thank SrI gOpIkRshNa for reproducing the article on SrI mUrti. To me the words above are the most important. While mUrti agrees that there are chance events that shape lives, he also believes that the future of an individual is not pre-determined based on some pUrvajanmasukRta, but on decisions that we take during the course of our lives and the work we put in. In a way he is also religious as work is his religion! Regards! - mOhana ______________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz P. Gopi Krishna Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage on Mail. Click here for happy ending! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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