Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Dear Learned Members of TBP Can anybody guide me where to find mp3 or any audio file on Pitru / Matru Tidhi vidhi( annual offering to parents/forefathers).. It will be of great help if any website details are provided to me. Regards Gopal " " Friday, 6 June, 2008 1:08:49 PM www.telugubhakti.com Digest Number 968 Telugu Bhakti Pages Messages In This Digest (14 Messages) 1. Nama Article- 05-06-08 Ravishankar Gopal 2. THOUGHT FR THE DAY Paritala Gopi Krishna 3.1. Pujya Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Paritala Gopi Krishna 4. Some Thoughts That Changes Life Paritala Gopi Krishna 5. LOOK FOR THE LESSON Paritala Gopi Krishna 6. Siva Kesava Mahathyam Dr BGY Sastry 7. A Scorpion Moment Paritala Gopi Krishna 8. Sundara Kandam K V R Rao (Raghav) 9a. Sri Sadhguro Pahimam Parama Dayalu Rakshamam gomathi ravichandran 10. This Bank and That Bank Ramchand Chugani 11. IRONIC AWARENESS prof_narain 12.1. VISHNU SAHASRA NAMAM - Courtesy ARUN K V R Rao (Raghav) 13. website on LORD SRI VENKATESWARA TVRK MURTHY(Viswapathi) 14. The King's lesson on charity K V R Rao (Raghav) View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. Nama Article- 05-06-08 Posted by: " Ravishankar Gopal " ravishankar_g  ravishankar_g Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:57 pm (PDT) Dear Members, स वेद धातà¥: पदवीं परसà¥à¤¯ दà¥à¤°à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¤µà¥€à¤°à¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥à¤¯ रथाङà¥à¤—पाणे: । योऽमायया संततयानà¥à¤µà¥ƒà¤¤à¥à¤¤à¥à¤¯à¤¾ à¤à¤œà¥‡à¤¤ ततà¥à¤ªà¤¾à¤¦à¤¸à¤°à¥‹à¤œà¤—नà¥à¤§à¤®à¥ ॥ sa vEda dhAtu: padavIm parasya duranta vIryasya rathANgapANE: | yOmAyayA santatayAnuvruttyA bhajEta tatpAda sarOjaghandham || He indeed knows the true nature of the Supreme Lord with a discus in His hand and with infinite prowess, who adores and worships (Chanting the Divine Name) the fragrance of the lotus-feet of the Lord again and again incessantly through guileless devotion. Though the Lord is highly incomprehensible to even a highly learned scholar, he is easily known by a devotee. That devotee who constantly beholds the Lord’s lotus-feet in his heart and is lost in its divine fragrance through his guileless and incessant devotion very easily knows the Lord’s nature and activities. The Lord reveals Himself to this devotee through his grace pleased by his devotion. Only through surrender of our ego to the Lord’s supreme-will, can one know the ways of God which are inscrutable. Sri Swamiji sings in one of His songs “கணà¯à®£à®©à¯ கழலà¯à®•à®³à®¿à®²à¯ நிலையாயிறà¯â€- “Remain steadfast in the feet of Lord Krishnaâ€. “There is no use letting the mind waver and disturbing oneself with lot of questionsâ€, He says. The import of this verse is that one should submit oneself completely to the Lord when even his own identity is lost in serving the Lord’s lotus-feet. Only in such a blemish less heart does the Lord reveal Himself. This devotion must be free from blemish like hypocrisy which is in the form of expecting selfish rewards. That is implied by the word ‘अमायया’. Chant the Mahamantra Nama kirtan : Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- If you have any questions or doubts concerning Spirituality, Mental peace or problems in life or about dharma, please write to us by clicking here: http://www.namadwaa r.org/answers/ askquestion. php His Holiness Sri Sri Swamiji personally answers these questions for you and suggests prayers. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------- Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2. THOUGHT FR THE DAY Posted by: " Paritala Gopi Krishna " p_gopi_krishna  p_gopi_krishna Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:33 pm (PDT) Posted by: " SAIpapu " saipapu (AT) (DOT) co.in saipapu Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:49 pm (PDT) Thought for the Day One may ask, if God is controlling everything, what is the need for human effort? Yes, God is all powerful. But at the same time human effort is also necessary, for without it man cannot enjoy the benefit of God's grace. It is only when you have both Divine grace and human endeavour that you can experience bliss, just as you can enjoy the breeze of a fan only when you have both a fan and electric power to operate it. (translated into Indonesian by Udayo Untarya Wijaya) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 3.1. Pujya Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Posted by: " Paritala Gopi Krishna " p_gopi_krishna  p_gopi_krishna Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:33 pm (PDT) In the Self there is no doership or enjoyership in the least bit - " naivam cinchitkaroti sah, " (Gita 4:20), " naiva cinchitkaromeeti " (Gita 5:8). Whatever actions have been performed in the 8.4 million forms of life, none of them can reach the Self, because the department of Self is totally different from the department of action. So long as a spiritual aspirant performs actions for himself, his sense of doership (egois) persists, because without a sense of doership, performance of an action for one's own self cannot be proven. Therefore those spiritual disciplines which are practices for one's own salvation, continues to keep the ego safeguarded as-is. Whatever actions are done with egoistic notion cannot ever lead to one's upliftment and salvation, because egoism is the root cause of bondage (cycle of birth and death). Therefore a spiritual aspirant should not give importance to activity, and instead give importance to the Self. The body's relationship is with the world, and the Self's relationship is with Supreme Consciousness (God). The body is a part of Nature, whereas the Self is a part of Supreme Consciousness. Rather, it is not possible for the Self to be ever established in the body. But man out of his ignorance, assumes himself to be established in the body. In this there is a vital fact that a man inspite of assuming himself to be established in the Self, does in fact not become a doer or enjoyer - " sharirasthopi kaunteya ne karoti ne lipyate. " (Gita 13:31). It proves that the realization of the Self as not being a doer or enjoyer is not attainable through any spiritual practices, rather it is a natural state. Therefore a spiritual aspirant is not to try to wipe out doership and enjoyership, rather he is not to accept it at all in the Self; because in reality, they are not in him. In Gita, God has explained the abscence of enjoyership by giving the illustration of ether and the abscene of doership by giving the illustration of the sun " As the all pervading ether due to it's subtleness, cannot be tainted, so the Self (Soul, Atma), being omnipresent and permeating everywhere, is not tainted by the body. " (Gita 13:32) " Yatha sarvagatam saukshmyaadaakaasha m nopalipyate sarvatraavasthito dehe tathaatmaa nopalipyate. " (Gita 13:32). Divinity (existence) cannot rest in the body or in Nature (prakriti). It is all pervading like ether - " nitya sarvagatah " (gita 2:24). It pervades all bodies, within and without. That all pervading divinity alone is our nature. That which appears to be favorable to the mind and senses is deemed as happiness and that which appears to be unfavorable to the mind and senses is deemed as unhappiness. This is the definition and explanation of happiness and unhappiness that is commonly understood among most people. We think that by getting food, clothing, house, car, property, land, knowledge, medicines and other things cheaply and in abundance we will become happy. But think through this more deeply - those that have these aforesaid things in great abundance, are they truly happy ? Not in the least bit, because with the increase of material abundance, their longing for it grows, and this longing for material things is the root cause of unhappiness. In the Bhagavad Gita, when Arjun asked God about the root cause of sin leading to sorrow and unhappiness, God responded that it is " desire " (craving, longing) which is the main reason why one commits sins. The real reason for unhappiness is only desire (craving, longing). Wherever you see people who are unhappy whether it be in prison, in hell, on anywhere, if you investigate the reason they are in their current state, you will conclude that either they had some desire and craving for something in the past or in the present they are longing for something that they do not have. By desiring, one does not attain things. Even the world does not give to those who desire, rather they want to give forcefully, willingly and gladly to those who do not want anything. In this world, if a person gets everything to his liking and as his mind desires, then too, he will not be satisfied. Rather his longing for more will continue to increase " jimi pratilaabh lob adhikaayi " . The reason for increased craving is that he is experiencing something lacking within himself, and as long as there lies this feeling within of some void, something missing, till that time how can there ever be happiness? Rather there will only be increasing unhappiness. If you think about this deeply, then you will realize that happiness is not due to acquiring things, rather by attaining anyone or anything, the unhappiness resulting from craving or longing for more, further increases. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (171) 4. Some Thoughts That Changes Life Posted by: " Paritala Gopi Krishna " p_gopi_krishna  p_gopi_krishna Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:33 pm (PDT) Posted by: " harihar " harihar1977@ harihar1977 Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:57 pm (PDT) Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind. You can't change the past, But you can ruin the present by worrying over the future! Love...and you shall be loved. God always gives His best to those Who leave the choice with Him. All people smile in the same language. Everyone needs to be loved... Especially when they do not deserve it. The real measure of a man's wealth Is what he has invested in eternity. Laughter is God's sunshine. Everyone has beauty But not everyone sees it. It's important for parents to live The same things they teach. Thank God for what you have, TRUST GOD for what you need. If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday And the worries of tomorrow, You have no today to be thankful for. Man looks at outward appearance But the God looks within. The choice you make today Will usually affect tomorrow. Take time to laugh, for it is The music of the soul. Patience is the ability to idle your motor When you feel like stripping your gears. Love is strengthened by working Through conflicts together. Harsh words break no bones But they do break hearts. To get out of a difficulty, One usually must go through it. We take for granted the things that We should be giving thanks for. Love is the only thing that can be Divided without being diminished. Happiness is enhanced by others But does not depend upon others. For every minute you are angry with someone, You lose 60 seconds of happiness that you can never get back. Do what you can, for who you can, With what you have, And where you are. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 5. LOOK FOR THE LESSON Posted by: " Paritala Gopi Krishna " p_gopi_krishna  p_gopi_krishna Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:33 pm (PDT) Posted by: " Aarthi Vijayasarathy " aarthi.vijayasarath y arthi.vijayasarathy Sometimes in the pain & adversity of our trials we consume ourselves with one thought, Of how in the world we can escape from it and the heartache the trial has brought. But perhaps a better way to focus ourselves would be to look for the lessons it contains. For the lessons God sends us are most surely there woven into the fibers of pain. How else do we learn compassion for others if not through our own severed hearts. For brokenness is a gift the Father will bless to prove He is doing His part. No time of affliction is ever gone to waste if we learn from the comfort God gives. And when we share that comfort... grace & power is seen and God gets glory in the life that we live. Those times of desperation when we fall down before Him and beseech Him with our own desperate cries, Somehow and some way make us notice desperate people because we see them through experienced eyes. Heartache and adversity teach us and mold us for they are the " textbook " God tenderly chooses, To reveal priceless lessons of wisdom and compassion to the children He blesses and uses. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 6. Siva Kesava Mahathyam Posted by: " Dr BGY Sastry " sastrybgy  sastrybgy Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:33 pm (PDT) Dear friends and devotees, Bhakti is eternal. Lords Siva and Vishnu are one. All most all our Puranas reveal that there is no difference in between Siva and Vishnu. There are two mahaa-phala daayaka Vrukshas. One by the name Vaasudeva and the other by the name Vaamadeva. They differ only in their sumas (flowers) (su is replaced by ma in their names), but both give the same phalas (fruits) which is moksham(Liberation) . It is also often said, How much one does not see the difference between Siva and Vishnu that much his aayu (Life) will increase. One day, when Lakshmi and Vishnu were together in vihaaram, Lakshmi sees Ucchaishravam, her brother, the horse of Revanta who is the son of Surya. Engrossed in seeing her brother, she does not reply to the repeated calls of Vishnu. Seeing her attraction, Vishnu gives her shaapam (Curse) to go to Bhulokam(Earth Planet) in the form of a horse and come back to Vaikuntam only after getting a son equal to Him! She comes to Bhuloka to experience the shaapam and realizing that none other than her brother, Siva can help her from the curse of Vishnu, she immediately does a tapas for Him and Siva appears to save her. Lakshmi says O brother Paramaatma! You and Vishnu are one and the same, Please help me! Siva says O sister! How do you know that we both are same? All learned people know that. Who told you? Lakshmi says, Once Mahavishnu Himself told me this. Seeing Him in deep Daiva-dhyaanam, I asked Him During Samudramanthanam, I thought you were the greatest of all and hence chose you. Devaadideva! Who is better than you that you are in dhyaanam of Him? Mahavishnu replied I am doing Sankara-dhyaanam. He is Eswara. He is the same as Me. All learned people know that. If someone is my devotee but still hates Siva, he will fall into naraka (Hell). Saying this, She asks Siva to persuade Vishnu to bless Her with a child. Siva sends Chitrarupa as a duta to convince Vishnu. Vishnu immediately accepts and comes to Bhuloka and blesses Lakshmi with Ekaveera, who is equal to Vishnu Himself. From Ekaveera came forth the Haihaya dynasty, of which the most noted king is Kartavirya Arjuna (Ekaveeras grandson). Once when Naarada, the avatar of Vishnu, recited prayers glorifying Lord Siva as the supreme controller of the universe, Lord Siva, the best of Vaishnavas, at once covered his ears and angrily replied, I am not the Lord of the universe, nor an object of Krishnas mercy! I am just a poor aatma always hankering for the favor of the servants of His servants. (Thus Narada, avatar of Vishnu, glorifies Siva as the Paramaatma and Siva glorifies Vishnu as the Paramaatma!) The story of Hanuman, who is the 11th avatar of Siva and Raama, the purna avatar of Vishnu also reveals the same. Both of them acheived great tasks: Restricting the great samudram, Raama along with His entire army crossed the same, while Hanuman, in one small jump, crossed it! In the greatest, unparalleled ghora-yuddham, which was never seen before or will ever be seen, Raama killed Raavana! Hanuman killed Mairaavana, who was many times stronger than Raavana, with great ease! Krishna lifted Govardhana giri, balanced on his little finger and saved the lives of Gopaalas! Hanuman brought the Sanjeevani Parvatam from Himaalayas to Lanka and saved Lakshmana! Raama melted a stone, with the touch of His lotus feet, for Ahalya! Hanuman melted a stone with His sweet Gandharva gaanam! Though they did great tasks like this, always Hanuman worshipped Raama, with great Vinayam. And Raama worshipped Siva with unparalleled devotion. (If one closely observes, for Paramaatma these tasks are not at all difficult/big. For He does everything right from Shrushti to Layam. And He only resides in everyone and gives life. However, since we cannot even imagine His power, we praise Him for these small tasks only) Impressed by the great tapas of Vishnu for Paramasiva, Siva gave Vishnu the Sudarshana Cakram. Annamaacharya, the great Vaak-geya-kaaraka of Andhra Pradesh, in one of his divya sankeertana Enta maatramuna evvaru talichina Â…. says: How much ever one imagines that much only are You: For Vaishnavas You are Vishnu For Vedanta You are Para Brahma For Shaivas and other bhaktas You are Siva For Kaapaalikas You are Kaala-Bhairava For Saakteyaas You are Sakti For people with alpa-buddhi You appear as alpam For people who know Your Garima and have Ghana-buddhi, You are a Ghana For people who are Sharanaagati You are Venkateshvara Once Shri Krishna, the avatar of Mahaavishnu, came to Upamanyu maharshi, when he was at Himalayas. Shri Krishna said Upamanyu muniindra! You are the greatest in the Siva Bhaktas. I came here to do Tapas of Paramasiva to get santaanam. Please teach Me Saiva-vidhi and vidhaanam. Upamanyu replied O Shri Krishna! I know who You are. Siva puja is not new to You. Though You know it, to make everybody know, I will tell You Â… Saying thus, Upamanyu told Shri Krishna how to do Siva-aaraadhana. This happened after the episode of Narada, coming under Vishnu Maya, gives shaapam (Curse) to Vishnu: (This is one of the reasons of Shri Raama avatar) Narada says Swami! Please forgive Me. I, coming under influence of Your Maya, got ahankaar and did Your ninda. Please tell Me what can save Me from this ghora-paapam . Vishnu says: O Priya Narada! You go and do paaraayana of Sankara Satanaamams. Then You will get Saanti. Siva is whom I respect the most. Even by mistake do not forget this. One who does not have Siva-anugraham cannot be My Bhakta. Believe this Â… Then My maaya wont affect you. Once Vyasa Bhagavan came under the influence of Siva-Maya and started telling in his Pravachana that Vishnu is greater than Siva. Once Nandeesvara also heard Vyasa Bhagavan saying this. Vishnu Murty then appeared before Veda Vyasa and told Him O Maharshi! Dont you know that I and Siva are the same? Knowing this why are you telling like this in your Pravachana? Veda Vyasa then had great paschaattaapam and asked Kshama from Nandeesvara. The phalam of Vishnu Puja is Siva Bhakti the example is that of Arjuna. Arjuna of course was the greatest of Shri Krishna Bhakta. But it was Siva who gave Arjuna moksham, when Arjuna was born as Bhakta Kannappa, in the great Kaalahasti Kshetram. Similarly the phalam of Siva Puja is Shri Raama Bhakti the examples are stories of Kaaka Bhushundi and Valmiki Maharshi. Kaaka Bhushundi was a great Siva Bhakta and hence Siva grants him Raama Bhakti Saamraajyam. Valmiki did tapas for Siva using the Panchaakshari mantram given to him by the great Saptarshis and as a result became the Aadi Kavi and wrote the great Ramayana. Raasaleela. It was the day when the punya-vruksham of Gopikas delivered its ripe fruits, called Moksham. It was the day when the Aaraadhana of Gopikas was blessed by Lord Krishna. Gopikas realised Shri Krishna, the Sarvaantaryaami, everywhere. As a result of their Aaraadhana-bhakti they realised the paramaatmas poorna-svaroopam with each one of them. Who could miss watching the Raasaleela, where the Lord showered His Karuna-jyotsna? All the Brahma-aadi devatas were present. Parama Siva, the greatest bhakta of Shri Krishna, was also present in the form of a Gopika. Shri Krishna, who is always in nirantara-siva- dhyaanam, searched for Parameshvara. Finally He realized that Siva is none other than one of the Gopikas having sampoorna aanandam of dancing with Him. Shri Krishna paramaatma then does stuti of Esvara and asks to bless them by staying there at Brindaavanam by the name of Gopeesvara. Even today we can visit Lord Siva, in the form of Gopeesvara, at Brindaavanam. Siva and Vishnu are the same. Om! Vishnu roopaya namassivaaya. With love and regards, Sastry. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7. A Scorpion Moment Posted by: " Paritala Gopi Krishna " p_gopi_krishna  p_gopi_krishna Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:33 pm (PDT) Posted by: " * Vinay * " vinayspandey@ gmail.com vinayspandey Mon Jun 2, 2008 7:01 pm (PDT) - A Story with Moral - Worth Reading - There was this Sadhu who saw a scorpion floundering around in the water. He decided to save it by stretching out his finger, but the scorpion stung him. The man still tried to get the scorpion out of the water, but the scorpion stung him again. Another man nearby told him to stop saving the scorpion that kept stinging him. But the Sadhu said: " It is the nature of the scorpion to sting. It is my nature to love. Why should I give up my nature to love just because it is the nature of the scorpion to sting? " Do not give up loving. Do not give up your goodness. Even if people around you sting. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 8. Sundara Kandam Posted by: " K V R Rao (Raghav) "  Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:46 pm (PDT) Dear members We posted 7 to 12 Chapters of Sundara Kandam With Om and Prem Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 9a. Sri Sadhguro Pahimam Parama Dayalu Rakshamam Posted by: " gomathi ravichandran " gomesravi  gomesravi Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:03 am (PDT) Dear Members " Hindu Dharma " is a book published by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan which contains English translation of two volumes of the Tamil Book " Deivatthin Kural " ; which is a collection of invaluable and engrossing speeches of Sri Sri Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi MahaSwamiji. http://kamakoti. org/hindudharma/ part5/chap17. htm Not in Other Religions The concept of yajna or sacrifice is not present in other systems of worship. There is a big difference between our religion, the " Vedic mata " , and other faiths. Religions like Christianity and Islam speak of one God. The Vedas too proclaim that there is but one God and that even an ordinary mortal is to be identified with him. This Paramatman, this Godhead, is to be realised as an experience by constant inquiry conducted with our inner being. It needs much wisdom and maturity to attain this state. When we unite with this one and only Reality, all those world disappears for us. How do we prepare ourselves for such a state? The answer is: now itself, when we are deeply involved in worldly affairs. In the very midst of our mundane existence we must live according to the dictates of dharma and the teachings of the sastras. In this way our consciousness will be purified. We will become mature within and will be severed from the world. The duties and rites that will take us to this goal are enshrined in the Vedas. The most important of the rites is yajna. There is a very old Tamil word for it - " velvi " . In yajna, offerings are made to different deities instead of to the one and only Paramatman. This sacrament is unique to our religion. In a yajna we are enjoined to offer various materials in the sacred fire with the recitation of mantras. Making such offerings in the sacrificial fire is called " homa " . Though the materials are placed in the fire it does not mean that they are necessarily offered to Agni. Only such materials as are placed in the fire with the chanting of mantras invoking Agni himself are meant for that deity. But the oblations meant for other deities like Rudra, Vishnu, Indra, Varuna, Matarisvan(Vayu) , and so on are also made in the holy fire. Agni conveys them to the deities invoked. Just as letters addressed to various people are put in the same letter-box, the oblations meant for various deities are conveyed through one devata, Agni. An important difference between the Vedic religion and other faiths is this: while followers of other religions worship one God we worship many deities and make offerings to them in the sacrificial fire. We often say, don't we, that the Lord is pleased if we keep helping one another? Reformists forsake puja and ritual, saying, " Serving people, serving the poor, is as good as serving God " . We will receive the Paramatman's blessings if we serve the devas also through sacrifices, for they too are His creation. The Vedas proclaim that the one Brahman, call it the Truth or Reality, is manifested as so many different devatas or deities. Since each devata is extolled as the Paramatman we know for certain that monotheism is a Vedic tenet. It is wrong to believe that the Vedas to polytheism merely because they speak of many deities. In doing so they mean that the one and only Brahman is revealed as many deities. It is for the conduct of the affairs of the cosmos that the Paramatman has created the various divine powers. These (divinities) dieties are also in charge of the forces of nature, the feelings and urges of man. The Supreme Godhead has created them in the same way as he has created us. He fashioned us out of himself - which means that he is that came to be so many human beings also. This is the reason why non-dualism proclaims that the Paramatman and the jivatman (the individual self) are one and the same. In the same way, it is he who is manifested as the many deities. However, until we are mature enough to recognise the truth of non-dualism and realise it within, and until we reach the state in which we realise that we are not separate from the Paramatman, we have to perform rituals and help one another. In the same way the deities are also to be looked upon as separate entities and are to be worshipped through sacrifices. This is the law of the Vedas. If we and all other creatures are to be happy in this world, we must have the blessings of the deities who govern the cosmic forces. It is for this purpose, to propitiate and please them for their grace, that the Vedas impose on us the duty of performing sacrifices. If we attain jnana, the wisdom to realise within the oneness of all, there will be no need for these deities. We may worship the Paramatman directly. However, so long as we make efforts to find release from this pluralistic cosmos, we have to worship the deities as separate entities. JAYA JAYA SANKARA HARA HARA SANKARA Thwameva Maathaa Cha Pithaa Thwameva Thwameva Bhandhuscha Sakhaa Thwameva Thwameva Vidhyaa Dhravinam Thwameva Thwameva Sarvam Mama Dheva Dheva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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