Digest Number 1179

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Apparently, Thakur would tell a story in order to

explain free will versus divine will.

does anyone know that story. I read Vivekananda

explained the story to Hazra for three straight days.

 

What was the story and what is the explanation (

according to Thakur and RamaKrishna). I thank you in advance.

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

Is it perhaps this story? [There are others too!]

 

http://www.kathamrita.org/kathamrita/k1sec13.htm

 

Before evening Mani is strolling as he recalls: Rama's will. This is

indeed very beautiful! It solves all the confusion between

predestination and freewill, between liberty and necessity. " I was

captured by the dacoits because of Rama's will; I was smoking, that

too by Rama's will; I committed a dacoity by Rama's will; I was held

by the police also by Rama's will. I have become a sadhu by Rama's

will. I pray, `O Lord, may my intellect be not impure. May you not

goad me on to dacoity.' This too is Rama's will. The right desire and

the wrong desire are both given by Him. Even so, there is a special

point: Why should He give the wrong intellect? Why should He give the

desire to commit dacoity? In answer to this Thakur said, `Just as He

has made the lion, the tiger and the snake among animals, just as He

has made the poisonous tree among trees, similarly He has also made

thieves and dacoits among men.' Why has He made them, who can tell?

Who can understand God's ways?

 

But then if God has made everything, the sense of responsibility ends

there. But why would it end? Unless you have realized God, unless you

have had His darshan, you cannot understand Rama's will a hundred per

cent. So long as you don't have full faith, you will certainly have

the feeling of vice and virtue, and the feeling of responsibility.

Thakur has explained what `Rama's will' is. Repeating `Rama's will'

like a parrot won't do. As long as you don't know God, as long

as `my' will and His will don't become one, as long as you don't

rightly understand, `I am an instrument,' so long He retains the

knowledge of vice and virtue, joy and sorrow, purity and impurity,

good and bad, and sense of responsibility. Otherwise, how can His

world of maya go on?

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

Ramakrishna, " Roy M. Mathur " <mathurro> wrote:

> Apparently, Thakur would tell a story in order to

> explain free will versus divine will.

> does anyone know that story. I read Vivekananda

> explained the story to Hazra for three straight days.

>

> What was the story and what is the explanation (

> according to Thakur and RamaKrishna). I thank you in advance.

>

>

>

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