Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 dear all, i want to ask anyone in this forum very objectively since i have not read or ever seen this book: has people read Kali's child by Jeff Kripal ? what does it say ? how factual and substantive it is ? it would be useful for me to hear from informed members please. thanks chellamani ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Chellamani I am forwarding your message to the list. According to most devotees of Sri Ramakrishna, 'lust' towards any gender was never exhibited by Sri Ramakrishna. One of the unique features of Sri Ramakrishna is that he is like a 'clean mirror' (Pure Sattva). He reflects the innermost character of the person trying to fathom him.... So our opinions of Sri Ramakrishna reflect our true nature! What we see in Sri Ramakrishna gives away our own level of spiritual aspiration and advancement (or lack of it) : ) regards jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 The review of " Kali's Child " by Swami Tyagananda of the Ramakrishna Mission, Boston: http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/s_rv/s_rv_tyaga_kali1.htm -Girish On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Vivekananda Centre wrote: > dear all, > > i want to ask anyone in this forum very objectively > since i have not read or ever seen this book: > > has people read Kali's child by Jeff Kripal ? > > what does it say ? how factual and substantive it is ? > > it would be useful for me to hear from informed > members please. > > thanks > > chellamani > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Chellamani > > I am forwarding your message to the list. > > According to most devotees of Sri Ramakrishna, 'lust' towards > any gender was never exhibited by Sri Ramakrishna. > > One of the unique features of Sri Ramakrishna is that he is like > a 'clean mirror' (Pure Sattva). He reflects the innermost character > of the person trying to fathom him.... So our opinions of Sri > Ramakrishna reflect our true nature! > > What we see in Sri Ramakrishna gives away our own level of > spiritual aspiration and advancement (or lack of it) : ) > > regards > jay > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Namaste, Please check Message #4850, and the link there: http://www.infinityfoundation.com/ECITkalichildframeset.htm Regards, Sunder Ramakrishna, " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda@b...> wrote: > dear all, > > i want to ask anyone in this forum very objectively > since i have not read or ever seen this book: > > has people read Kali's child by Jeff Kripal ? > > what does it say ? how factual and substantive it is ? > > it would be useful for me to hear from informed > members please. > > thanks > > chellamani > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Chellamani > > I am forwarding your message to the list. > > According to most devotees of Sri Ramakrishna, 'lust' towards > any gender was never exhibited by Sri Ramakrishna. > > One of the unique features of Sri Ramakrishna is that he is like > a 'clean mirror' (Pure Sattva). He reflects the innermost character > of the person trying to fathom him.... So our opinions of Sri > Ramakrishna reflect our true nature! > > What we see in Sri Ramakrishna gives away our own level of > spiritual aspiration and advancement (or lack of it) : ) > > regards > jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Dear Jay You have put it across very well. In fact I am reminded of a couplet of Goswami Tulsidas in the Ramcharitmanas ' Jiske Hriday Bhavna Jaisi. Prabhu Moorat tin dekhi Taisi.' which when translated means ' Every one present there saw the Lord in accordance with his own mental make up. ' How can the mind which is filled with garbage see anything pure. Well I am not saying that I am the emblem of purity. But at least I know there is enough garbage in me so I correct my vision before judging others. Pranams - Dev HotJobs, a service - Search Thousands of New Jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 In a message dated 17/6/03 9:55:01 am, Ramakrishna writes: They are false, based on prejudice, a hidden agenda, and ignorance of Bengal customs, manners, and language. Although Thakur would undoubtedly be far more kind and understanding, I personally think Kripal should be stripped of his Ph. D. and put out of his faculty post. Hmmm....a bit strong maybe! I read Kali's Child two years ago - with an open mind, I believe - and there are parts of it that are both interesting and useful as a fresh and external examination of the Ramakrishna phenomenon. However, I have to agree that as a work of scholarship, the book is seriously flawed and totally unconvincing in its main thesis. Anyone reading Kali's Child should also read Swami Tyagananda's lengthy commentary on the book, available on the internet, which challenges most of Kripal's allegations and shows up the deficiency of many of his sources. God bless, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Alan, can you please indicate the topics that are interesting in that book. I would love to read and benefit from them. Thanks, Prasad. Ramakrishna , afperry@a... wrote: > Hmmm....a bit strong maybe! I read Kali's Child two years ago - with an open > mind, I believe - and there are parts of it that are both interesting and > useful as a fresh and external examination of the Ramakrishna phenomenon. However, > I have to agree that as a work of scholarship, the book is seriously flawed > and totally unconvincing in its main thesis. Anyone reading Kali's Child should > also read Swami Tyagananda's lengthy commentary on the book, available on the > internet, which challenges most of Kripal's allegations and shows up the > deficiency of many of his sources. > God bless, > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Dear Alan Please provide me the link for Swami Tyagananda's lengthy commentary on the book, available on the internet, which challenges most of Kripal's allegations and shows up the deficiency of many of his sources. Regards …Charan Dass. > Hmmm....a bit strong maybe! I read Kali's Child two years ago - with an open > mind, I believe - and there are parts of it that are both interesting and > useful as a fresh and external examination of the Ramakrishna phenomenon. However, > I have to agree that as a work of scholarship, the book is seriously flawed > and totally unconvincing in its main thesis. Anyone reading Kali's Child should > also read Swami Tyagananda's lengthy commentary on the book, available on the > internet, which challenges most of Kripal's allegations and shows up the > deficiency of many of his sources. > God bless, > Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Dear Alan, Thank you for your reply. You wrote: Shivaram: > > Although Thakur would undoubtedly be far > > more kind and > > understanding, I personally think Kripal should be stripped of his Ph. > > D. and put out of his faculty post. Alan: > Hmmm....a bit strong maybe! Shivaram: Admittedly so, but the book has had a very wide circulation and is being cited as authoritative by a whole array of dubious parties including sects of debased new-age homosexual tantricists, Christian fundamentalists, anti-cult watchers, and so-called " avatar " Franklin Jones / Bubba Free John / Da Love Ananda. (For more on the latter, see the refutation at http://lightmind.com/blogs/blogarchive-012.html ). Sri Ramakrishna was so pure and sweet, his name and virtue so unsullied by detraction, it is deeply sadening to see the wide credence given to Kripal's shoddy sensationalism. Alan: > Anyone reading Kali's Child should > also read Swami Tyagananda's lengthy commentary on the book, available on the > internet, which challenges most of Kripal's allegations and shows up the > deficiency of many of his sources. Shivaram: Many years ago, in my first reading of the Master's Gospel, I of course noted the same passages as Kripal cites. But I was not bothered by them. Anyone with a lick of common sense can see these innocent happenings for what they were. " Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. " (Titus 1: 15) The one good thing that has come out of this is Swami Tyagananda's masterful commentary, which is an utterly convincing refutation of Kripal as well as being a valuable study in itself. Pranams, Shivaram Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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