Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Dear Frances, Prescriptions for suffering are very easy to dole out when the shoe is at the other feet, is it not? Only the sufferer knows what suffering is. Sure, suffering is indispensible and it leads us closer to God but one " realises " this only when the suffering is over! How many of us can be like Thakur? He never really bothered about his cancer and went on regardless. Probably what we (ignorant souls) can learn is that we have to totally immerse ourselves in what we are interested in to be able to ignore suffering. Regards, Jagannath > " Frances Brunner " <swampfoxny > <Ramakrishna > > Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:25 AM > Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Fw: letter > > > > I accept suffering as an inevitable part of life > not > > as a pessimistic view of life, but as something > which > > has been said by wiser people than me. But to me, > > suffering is that which arises within us from our > > desires. Everything the Lord sends is an > opportunity > > to become closer to Him, it is just that in our > very > > small and unenlightened view of the world, our > desires > > and feelings cloud our chance to see the > opportunity, > > and we suffer. Every wall is really a bridge and > it > > is not God's fault if we cannot make it so. Even > > though I am the first one to wail at pain, to kill > a > > poisonous spider in my house, and to give in to > petty > > temptation, I know that I am just reacting to my > own > > desires and view of the world, and it is myself > making > > me suffer. I am at the same time praying for > > sometimes very selfish things, and sometimes > praying > > for my relief from chronic pain because I have a > > lifelong illness, realizing at the same time that > this > > illness is really a gift which i can use to attain > a > > small measure of spiritual advancement. Even > Christ > > at the end of his life said, father, let this cup > pass > > from me...... this great holy man of God did not > want > > to go through the agony of suffering that he knew > was > > ahead, even though he knew his mahasamadhi was at > the > > other end of it (is that the right > term?)........What > > would have happened if God said at that moment, > okay, > > son, I take it back, just go on about your > business!? > > > > I also at the same time try to " make friends " with > > suffering, not to get used to it and live as a > > suffering person, but to see a way in which this > can > > bring me closer to the Lord. One day, even though > it > > may be in the distant future, I come to an > > understanding of why I suffered and how God > protected > > me from what would have happened had my desires > been > > fulfilled. > > (Wow, a lot said for a lurker!) > > Frances M. > > --- Vivekananda Centre > <vivekananda > > wrote: > > > > > > - > > > " ivan dimitar " <ivandemitr > > > Saturday, August 17, 2002 08:31 > > > letter > > > > > > > > > Hari Om. > > > May God bless you. > > > > > > > > > God say ,that He is like Kalpaka tree-everyone > gets > > > what he seeks\requested\ from Him-freedom or > money. > > > This is God`s dharma /please comment this in > > > sakamya- > > > worldly people,and nishkamya-monks aspect/. > > > > > > But have many cases when haven`t answer of the > > > prayers > > > sakamya or nishkamya prayers.In this situation > from > > > where I can take power accept God`s will-prey > for > > > power for accept God`s will-but if God no answer > > > again?/I > > > must accept pain and suffer-impossible to save > > > myself > > > from pain/. > > > > > > Best regards in the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Dear Ivan > > > > > > You have asked interesting question.... Does God > > > respond? > > > How to avoid pain when he is not responding? > > > > > > I am going to take the liberty of posting this > > > question to the list > > > to see what response we can get. > > > > > > regards > > > jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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