Need spiritual advice (long...sorry)

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Dear Ones...I would like to attempt to describe a spiritual problem I

am having, and hopefully get your words of wisdom. Twenty years ago

I was initiated by a guru of Surat Shabd Yoga, also known as Sant

Mat. According to this path, one must be intiated by a perfect

living master that has made it all the way to the 6th plane of heaven

in order to be free from the cycle of birth and death. If one does

not find this perfect master, and takes a lesser man for a guru, one

is still subject to the cycle of birth and death. THis path states

that the lower 3 planes, material, astral and causal are all

controlled by Kal who is the God that most religions refer to when

they describe the ultimate creator. In fact, Kal does not want to

let anyone out of his kingdom, and so created religions and false

gurus to keep us entangled in the three planes. Our only hope is to

find a Satguru who can lead us to our TRUE home (the 6th plane.)

Supposedly, my guru was one of these perfect masters of which there

are only 2 or 3 on the earth at a time. One of the complicating

issues is that the lineage of these masters is very confused...there

are numerous lines all claiming to have the TRUE master. THis path

also states that past masters are of no help to us now since they

have left the body. Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, etc. are to be respected

but are of no practical help.

 

Anyway...I learned of this and much more only a few years ago, and

have since felt this path was too narrow-minded for me, and want to

let go of it. I am having trouble with guilt at following another

path (in this case, Ramakrishna.) I want to know what you all think

of the theory of Sant Mat. Please feel free to ask me questions for

clarification, and I will try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

I'm sorry this was so long.

 

Katie

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Dear Katie,

 

All systems, all gods and godesses as well, belong to the realm of maya

and mahamaya. They all want to entice us or to scare us into joining

their child-play. Then play proceeds with entire fervor and devotion,

and when playing is done the toys are tossed aside, and the child sits

in easy posture and smiles into the face of the Friend. So it is with

Sri Ramakrishna. Simply being in that presence, all questions of heaven

and hell, liberation and return, seeking and finding just fall away like

toys from our hands.

 

The very best to you,

 

Shivaram Das

 

Katie wrote:

 

>Dear Ones...I would like to attempt to describe a spiritual problem I

>am having, and hopefully get your words of wisdom. Twenty years ago

>I was initiated by a guru of Surat Shabd Yoga, also known as Sant

>Mat. According to this path, one must be intiated by a perfect

>living master that has made it all the way to the 6th plane of heaven

>in order to be free from the cycle of birth and death. If one does

>not find this perfect master, and takes a lesser man for a guru, one

>is still subject to the cycle of birth and death. THis path states

>that the lower 3 planes, material, astral and causal are all

>controlled by Kal who is the God that most religions refer to when

>they describe the ultimate creator. In fact, Kal does not want to

>let anyone out of his kingdom, and so created religions and false

>gurus to keep us entangled in the three planes. Our only hope is to

>find a Satguru who can lead us to our TRUE home (the 6th plane.)

>Supposedly, my guru was one of these perfect masters of which there

>are only 2 or 3 on the earth at a time. One of the complicating

>issues is that the lineage of these masters is very confused...there

>are numerous lines all claiming to have the TRUE master. THis path

>also states that past masters are of no help to us now since they

>have left the body. Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, etc. are to be respected

>but are of no practical help.

>

>Anyway...I learned of this and much more only a few years ago, and

>have since felt this path was too narrow-minded for me, and want to

>let go of it. I am having trouble with guilt at following another

>path (in this case, Ramakrishna.) I want to know what you all think

>of the theory of Sant Mat. Please feel free to ask me questions for

>clarification, and I will try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

>

>I'm sorry this was so long.

>

>Katie

>

>

>

>

>Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

>Vivekananda Centre London

>http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

>

>

[Guest guest]

Katie,

 

Your problem is not unique. If you refer to the life

of Swami Vivekananda, you will find that he went to

one guru named " pauhari baba " even though by that time

he was a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna. Sr Ramakrishna

came into his dream and Swami Vivekananda changed his

mind.

 

The point is that all the paths are true and all are

trying to reach the same goal. You need to find one

that suits you. Now you have come to the path of Sri

Ramkrishna. The uniqueness you will find is that there

is no taboo. No exclusion but all inclusion!! This is

the beauty and this is the glory.

 

Sri Ramakrishna lived all the Shastras and all the

Vedas in one life and taught the humanity, the gist of

it. We must not be fickle minded and have faith in our

own self. There is the secret.

 

My sincere prayers for your spiritual endeavour.

 

Regards

 

Samudra

 

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