Another doubt

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Hello List!

 

Doubts never get extinguished till one enters the realm of supersensory

experience. This fact notwithstanding, could the list throw some light on the

following incident?

 

The Holy Mother has categorically stated that the service of the Sangha

(Ramakrishna Order) amounts to the service of Sri Ramakrishna. She is also on

record to have observed that any command from the organisation should be treated

as a command from Sri Ramakrishna. Swami Vivekananda, Swami Brahmananda, Swami

Shivananda and other Presidents of the Order have also made similar

observations. Then, how does one assimmilate the following incident in the life

of Swami Virajananda : Swami Virajananda was asked by Swami Saradananda, the

then General Secretary, to go to USA and participate in the spread of the

Ramakrishna movement there. Swami Virajananda refused and it was later revealed

that The Holy Mother had appeared to him in a vision and asked him not to go.

 

How does one comprehend this incident?!!

 

Best regards,

Debajit

 

 

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Namaste,

 

The question raised here seems to be based on information that

is COMPLETELY contradictory to that given in Swami Shraddhananda's

biography of Swami Virajananda - " The Story of an Epoch - Swami

Virajananda and his Times " ; 1st edition, 1982, Ramkrishna Math,

Madras; pp.104-119.

 

I would like to urge readers not to raise 'loaded' questions

without quoting 'chapter and verse' for the information on which they

are based.

 

Even on the face of it, Sw. Saradananda would NEVER have gone

against Mother's wishes. To imply that Sw. Virajananda 'refused' Sw.

S.'s decision and needs an explanation has no merit whatsoever.

 

Kali Mother has removed unceremoniously from the scene of

Thakur's activities anyone who had the pride of possessiveness about

Him - including Hriday and Brahmani! So none can ever need doubt that

whatever happens is by Her/His will only.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

 

Ramakrishna , " Debajit Das " <debajitdas@l...>

wrote:

> Hello List!

>

> Doubts never get extinguished till one enters the realm of

supersensory experience. This fact notwithstanding, could the list

throw some light on the following incident?

>

> The Holy Mother has categorically stated that the service of the

Sangha (Ramakrishna Order) amounts to the service of Sri Ramakrishna.

She is also on record to have observed that any command from the

organisation should be treated as a command from Sri Ramakrishna.

Swami Vivekananda, Swami Brahmananda, Swami Shivananda and other

Presidents of the Order have also made similar observations. Then,

how does one assimmilate the following incident in the life of Swami

Virajananda : Swami Virajananda was asked by Swami Saradananda, the

then General Secretary, to go to USA and participate in the spread of

the Ramakrishna movement there. Swami Virajananda refused and it was

later revealed that The Holy Mother had appeared to him in a vision

and asked him not to go.

>

> How does one comprehend this incident?!!

>

> Best regards,

> Debajit

>

>

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Greetings:

 

I believe Debajit raised a fair question (if, uninformed, according to Sunder)

for our List, and Sunder provided a sound answer to his specific inquiry.

However, an important, broader question remains: Does the Ramakrishna Order

claim the same type of " Papal Infallibility " for its leadership as does the

Roman Catholic Church (i.e., the Pope " speaks " for Christ on matters of faith

and morality)? I would think the evidence from religious history would

demonstrate that, once a religion's founder had passed on, the organizational

structure left behind became more human, and less divine. This historical record

leads me, as a lay devotee of both Christ and Ramakrishna, to surrender my

ultimate intellectual and spiritual allegience to the written teachings and

inner guidance of Christ and Ramakrishna, rather than to their human

institutions. (Of course, if I was a monastic, I would faithfully follow my vow

of obedience. Also, in the case of Christ, I am even suspect of the accuracy and

completeness of some of the written teachings found in the Holy Bible.) Now,

this does not mean I do not admire and support the Ramakrishna Order and my

Christian church, only that I reserve the right to disagree when a command or

proclamation conflicts with my own, intuitive understanding.

 

Jai Ramakrishna,

Brad