Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Well done, Dilipbhai. I was very impressed with the speech you gave at the brent town hall. But obviously many exclusivist religions in decline feel threatened and are scared that their followers will pick up new ideas in a world that is getting smaller and more multi faceted. One way to stop people getting new ideas is give negative perception of other religions to preserve their own. I am glad that hinduism does not play generally play this sort of a game and hope it does not in the future. You have a long fight here. I will pray for you. It is great to hear you speak, one sees genuine emotions in you words and physical expressions. Some of the core nectar in the teachings of Vivekanada is so advanced that is requires a tectronic shift in the mind set of mankind including majority of the hindus, including myself. One of them being the question "What is the true definition of God"??? Difficult job here. Hope you succeed here as well.... / Vijay HIrani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2003 Report Share Posted January 19, 2003 The Vivekananda Centre has just celebrated two award ceremonies on Hinduism at Brent Town Hall in London. We had invited the heads of religious education from various government bodies including the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority to make the presentations. The event also gave us an opportunity to raise our concerns regarding some aspects of the Hinduism syllabus taught in the United Kingdom. What we say is given serious consideration by the QCA (the governmental body in charge of such matters). We emphasised that the Caste system should not be part of the syllabus. How can a child born and brought up in the UK be asked to check with his parents what caste he belongs to? What is the religious education system trying to do? The scriptures of authority of Hindus do not promote any form of hereditary caste system. If some secondary scripture like the Manu taught the caste system.... then it should be remembered that such texts came with a 'sell-by-date' that has long expired! Hinduism prides itself on being a live religion - refreshing and reviewing its teachings through the teachings of contemporary prophets. Every Hindu teacher in the last thousand years has been severely critical of hereditary caste system. If ever it becomes necessary to include a section in Religious Education that focuses on the 'Atrocities committed in the name of Religion' then the hereditary caste system would fit the bill for Hinduism. But in that case surely the Religious Education syllabus should also talk about the atrocities carried out in the name of all religions. Twenty percent of the syllabus on Christianity and Islam should be devoted to the Crusades, the forced conversions, the brutal unfolding of Christianity in South America and of Islam in South East Asia. This should become part of the GCSE syllabus for these two major world religions. As far as such atrocities are concerned the difference we notice is that at worst the Hindus in the name of religion inflicted pain on their own -- while these other religions have inflicted a great deal of pain on the rest of mankind. In a pointed manner we asked: " We do not understand the reason the Western Scholars have decided that the Caste System is somehow the key teaching of Hinduism and keep emphasising it in the GCSE and Advanced level Hinduism syllabus " . Is it, we wondered, that the best way they can continue to underpin their own faith (mainly Christianity) is by showing other religions in poor light? " Compare the best of ours with the worst of others! " What a marvellous way of teaching world religions! We told the QCA - " Here at this meeting you will find representatives of most of the Hindu sectarian bodies in the UK as well as the co-ordinators of the SACREs from the local governments. Ask them if Caste system should be part of the Hindu teachings in the UK. Not one will agree. " In the final instance we suggested, " It is the Hindus who will decide what is Hinduism and not a bunch of Western Academics. Please take note " . Our presentation was well received by all those present. jay Vivekananda Centre London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2003 Report Share Posted January 19, 2003 But there is nothing wrong with the caste system. Nothing in Hinduism need be modified. Only it needs to be looked at in the right perspective. When done so, the caste system is an institution that will be lauded even by those so called Western Academics j > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda >Ramakrishna > " list " <Ramakrishna >, " self-knowledge-list " ><Self-knowledge >, " viv list " <vivekananda > >[sri Ramakrishna] Caste System >Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:16:57 -0000 > > >The Vivekananda Centre has just celebrated two award ceremonies >on Hinduism at Brent Town Hall in London. We had invited the heads >of religious education from various government bodies including the >Qualifications and Curriculum Authority to make the presentations. >The event also gave us an opportunity to raise our concerns regarding >some aspects of the Hinduism syllabus taught in the United Kingdom. >What we say is given serious consideration by the QCA (the governmental >body in charge of such matters). > >We emphasised that the Caste system should not be part of the syllabus. > >How can a child born and brought up in the UK be asked to check with >his parents what caste he belongs to? What is the religious education >system trying to do? > >The scriptures of authority of Hindus do not promote any form of hereditary >caste system. If some secondary scripture like the Manu taught the caste >system.... then it should be remembered that such texts came with a >'sell-by-date' that has long expired! Hinduism prides itself on being a >live religion - refreshing and reviewing its teachings through the >teachings of contemporary prophets. Every Hindu teacher in the last >thousand years has been severely critical of hereditary caste system. > >If ever it becomes necessary to include a section in Religious Education >that focuses on the 'Atrocities committed in the name of Religion' then the >hereditary caste system would fit the bill for Hinduism. But in that case >surely the Religious Education syllabus should also talk about the >atrocities >carried out in the name of all religions. Twenty percent of the syllabus on >Christianity and Islam should be devoted to the Crusades, the forced >conversions, the brutal unfolding of Christianity in South America and of >Islam in South East Asia. This should become part of the GCSE syllabus >for these two major world religions. As far as such atrocities are >concerned >the difference we notice is that at worst the Hindus in the name of >religion >inflicted pain on their own -- while these other religions have inflicted >a great deal of pain on the rest of mankind. > >In a pointed manner we asked: > " We do not understand the reason the Western Scholars have decided >that the Caste System is somehow the key teaching of Hinduism and keep >emphasising it in the GCSE and Advanced level Hinduism syllabus " . >Is it, we wondered, that the best way they can continue to underpin their >own faith (mainly Christianity) is by showing other religions in poor >light? > " Compare the best of ours with the worst of others! " >What a marvellous way of teaching world religions! > >We told the QCA - " Here at this meeting you will find representatives >of most of the Hindu sectarian bodies in the UK as well as the >co-ordinators of the SACREs from the local governments. Ask them >if Caste system should be part of the Hindu teachings in the UK. >Not one will agree. " > >In the final instance we suggested, " It is the Hindus who will decide >what is Hinduism and not a bunch of Western Academics. Please >take note " . Our presentation was well received by all those present. > >jay >Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2003 Report Share Posted January 19, 2003 Dear Jay, Greetings.Well Said it was so so good that to hear that we can express our feelings in that stong and Stern way.I am proud . Can you please let me know where the regular discussions take place in London. I am a student in London.I want to visit you.Can you please send me the address and contact details. Regards, Sreekanth.P On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 Vivekananda Centre wrote : > >The Vivekananda Centre has just celebrated two award ceremonies >on Hinduism at Brent Town Hall in London. We had invited the >heads >of religious education from various government bodies including >the >Qualifications and Curriculum Authority to make the >presentations. >The event also gave us an opportunity to raise our concerns >regarding >some aspects of the Hinduism syllabus taught in the United >Kingdom. >What we say is given serious consideration by the QCA (the >governmental >body in charge of such matters). > >We emphasised that the Caste system should not be part of the >syllabus. > >How can a child born and brought up in the UK be asked to check >with >his parents what caste he belongs to? What is the religious >education >system trying to do? > >The scriptures of authority of Hindus do not promote any form of >hereditary >caste system. If some secondary scripture like the Manu taught >the caste >system.... then it should be remembered that such texts came with >a >'sell-by-date' that has long expired! Hinduism prides itself on >being a >live religion - refreshing and reviewing its teachings through >the >teachings of contemporary prophets. Every Hindu teacher in the >last >thousand years has been severely critical of hereditary caste >system. > >If ever it becomes necessary to include a section in Religious >Education >that focuses on the 'Atrocities committed in the name of >Religion' then the >hereditary caste system would fit the bill for Hinduism. But in >that case >surely the Religious Education syllabus should also talk about >the >atrocities >carried out in the name of all religions. Twenty percent of the >syllabus on >Christianity and Islam should be devoted to the Crusades, the >forced >conversions, the brutal unfolding of Christianity in South >America and of >Islam in South East Asia. This should become part of the GCSE >syllabus >for these two major world religions. As far as such atrocities >are concerned >the difference we notice is that at worst the Hindus in the name >of religion >inflicted pain on their own -- while these other religions have >inflicted >a great deal of pain on the rest of mankind. > >In a pointed manner we asked: > " We do not understand the reason the Western Scholars have >decided >that the Caste System is somehow the key teaching of Hinduism and >keep >emphasising it in the GCSE and Advanced level Hinduism >syllabus " . >Is it, we wondered, that the best way they can continue to >underpin their >own faith (mainly Christianity) is by showing other religions in >poor light? > " Compare the best of ours with the worst of others! " >What a marvellous way of teaching world religions! > >We told the QCA - " Here at this meeting you will find >representatives >of most of the Hindu sectarian bodies in the UK as well as the >co-ordinators of the SACREs from the local governments. Ask >them >if Caste system should be part of the Hindu teachings in the >UK. >Not one will agree. " > >In the final instance we suggested, " It is the Hindus who will >decide >what is Hinduism and not a bunch of Western Academics. Please >take note " . Our presentation was well received by all those >present. > >jay >Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 Jay, this was a masterful statement on caste system and religious education. I am printing and saving it for use on future occasions. Yogeshananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 Dear sree, Good day, Iam staying in india. I don't know the address where the classes are conducted at london. Iam also a student & interested in vedanthas. So i got registered with the institute. Keep in touch, Thanks & regards Jeyachander --- Sreekanth Pulipati <sreepulipati wrote: > > Dear Jay, > Greetings.Well Said it was so so good that to hear > that we can > express our feelings in that stong and Stern way.I > am proud . > Can you please let me know where the regular > discussions take > place in London. > I am a student in London.I want to visit you.Can you > please send > me the address and contact details. > Regards, > Sreekanth.P > On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 Vivekananda Centre wrote : > > > >The Vivekananda Centre has just celebrated two > award ceremonies > >on Hinduism at Brent Town Hall in London. We had > invited the > >heads > >of religious education from various government > bodies including > >the > >Qualifications and Curriculum Authority to make the > > >presentations. > >The event also gave us an opportunity to raise our > concerns > >regarding > >some aspects of the Hinduism syllabus taught in the > United > >Kingdom. > >What we say is given serious consideration by the > QCA (the > >governmental > >body in charge of such matters). > > > >We emphasised that the Caste system should not be > part of the > >syllabus. > > > >How can a child born and brought up in the UK be > asked to check > >with > >his parents what caste he belongs to? What is the > religious > >education > >system trying to do? > > > >The scriptures of authority of Hindus do not > promote any form of > >hereditary > >caste system. If some secondary scripture like the > Manu taught > >the caste > >system.... then it should be remembered that such > texts came with > >a > >'sell-by-date' that has long expired! Hinduism > prides itself on > >being a > >live religion - refreshing and reviewing its > teachings through > >the > >teachings of contemporary prophets. Every Hindu > teacher in the > >last > >thousand years has been severely critical of > hereditary caste > >system. > > > >If ever it becomes necessary to include a section > in Religious > >Education > >that focuses on the 'Atrocities committed in the > name of > >Religion' then the > >hereditary caste system would fit the bill for > Hinduism. But in > >that case > >surely the Religious Education syllabus should also > talk about > >the > >atrocities > >carried out in the name of all religions. Twenty > percent of the > >syllabus on > >Christianity and Islam should be devoted to the > Crusades, the > >forced > >conversions, the brutal unfolding of Christianity > in South > >America and of > >Islam in South East Asia. This should become part > of the GCSE > >syllabus > >for these two major world religions. As far as such > atrocities > >are concerned > >the difference we notice is that at worst the > Hindus in the name > >of religion > >inflicted pain on their own -- while these other > religions have > >inflicted > >a great deal of pain on the rest of mankind. > > > >In a pointed manner we asked: > > " We do not understand the reason the Western > Scholars have > >decided > >that the Caste System is somehow the key teaching > of Hinduism and > >keep > >emphasising it in the GCSE and Advanced level > Hinduism > >syllabus " . > >Is it, we wondered, that the best way they can > continue to > >underpin their > >own faith (mainly Christianity) is by showing other > religions in > >poor light? > > " Compare the best of ours with the worst of > others! " > >What a marvellous way of teaching world religions! > > > >We told the QCA - " Here at this meeting you will > find > >representatives > >of most of the Hindu sectarian bodies in the UK as > well as the > >co-ordinators of the SACREs from the local > governments. Ask > >them > >if Caste system should be part of the Hindu > teachings in the > >UK. > >Not one will agree. " > > > >In the final instance we suggested, " It is the > Hindus who will > >decide > >what is Hinduism and not a bunch of Western > Academics. Please > >take note " . Our presentation was well received by > all those > >present. > > > >jay > >Vivekananda Centre London > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > >Vivekananda Centre London > >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 Dear Jay, May God bless you to speak truth as it is without mincing words! Hinduism is painted as a religion of some irrational, primitive people by those who do not understand it. May God bless us all with the sattva guna to see the sun without being clouded by ignorance. Yours Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar --- Sreekanth Pulipati <sreepulipati wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> <BR> Dear Jay,<BR> Greetings.Well Said it was so so good that to hear that we can <BR> express our feelings in that stong and Stern way.I am proud .<BR> Can you please let me know where the regular discussions take <BR> place in London.<BR> I am a student in London.I want to visit you.Can you please send <BR> me the address and contact details.<BR> Regards,<BR> Sreekanth.P<BR> On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 Vivekananda Centre wrote :<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;The Vivekananda Centre has just celebrated two award ceremonies<BR> & gt;on Hinduism at Brent Town Hall in London. We had invited the <BR> & gt;heads<BR> & gt;of religious education from various government bodies including <BR> & gt;the<BR> & gt;Qualifications and Curriculum Authority to make the <BR> & gt;presentations.<BR> & gt;The event also gave us an opportunity to raise our concerns <BR> & gt;regarding<BR> & gt;some aspects of the Hinduism syllabus taught in the United <BR> & gt;Kingdom.<BR> & gt;What we say is given serious consideration by the QCA (the <BR> & gt;governmental<BR> & gt;body in charge of such matters).<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;We emphasised that the Caste system should not be part of the <BR> & gt;syllabus.<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;How can a child born and brought up in the UK be asked to check <BR> & gt;with<BR> & gt;his parents what caste he belongs to? What is the religious <BR> & gt;education<BR> & gt;system trying to do?<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;The scriptures of authority of Hindus do not promote any form of <BR> & gt;hereditary<BR> & gt;caste system. If some secondary scripture like the Manu taught <BR> & gt;the caste<BR> & gt;system.... then it should be remembered that such texts came with <BR> & gt;a<BR> & gt;'sell-by-date' that has long expired! Hinduism prides itself on <BR> & gt;being a<BR> & gt;live religion - refreshing and reviewing its teachings through <BR> & gt;the<BR> & gt;teachings of contemporary prophets. Every Hindu teacher in the <BR> & gt;last<BR> & gt;thousand years has been severely critical of hereditary caste <BR> & gt;system.<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;If ever it becomes necessary to include a section in Religious <BR> & gt;Education<BR> & gt;that focuses on the 'Atrocities committed in the name of <BR> & gt;Religion' then the<BR> & gt;hereditary caste system would fit the bill for Hinduism. But in <BR> & gt;that case<BR> & gt;surely the Religious Education syllabus should also talk about <BR> & gt;the<BR> & gt;atrocities<BR> & gt;carried out in the name of all religions. Twenty percent of the <BR> & gt;syllabus on<BR> & gt;Christianity and Islam should be devoted to the Crusades, the <BR> & gt;forced<BR> & gt;conversions, the brutal unfolding of Christianity in South <BR> & gt;America and of<BR> & gt;Islam in South East Asia. This should become part of the GCSE <BR> & gt;syllabus<BR> & gt;for these two major world religions. As far as such atrocities <BR> & gt;are concerned<BR> & gt;the difference we notice is that at worst the Hindus in the name <BR> & gt;of religion<BR> & gt;inflicted pain on their own -- & nbsp; while these other religions have <BR> & gt;inflicted<BR> & gt;a great deal of pain on the rest of mankind.<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;In a pointed manner we asked:<BR> & gt; & quot;We do not understand the reason the Western Scholars have <BR> & gt;decided<BR> & gt;that the Caste System is somehow the key teaching of Hinduism and <BR> & gt;keep<BR> & gt;emphasising it in the GCSE and Advanced level Hinduism <BR> & gt;syllabus & quot;.<BR> & gt;Is it, we wondered, & nbsp; that the best way they can continue to <BR> & gt;underpin their<BR> & gt;own faith (mainly Christianity) is by showing other religions in <BR> & gt;poor light?<BR> & gt; & quot;Compare the best of ours with the worst of others! & quot;<BR> & gt;What a marvellous way of teaching world religions!<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;We told the QCA - & quot;Here at this meeting you will find <BR> & gt;representatives<BR> & gt;of most of the Hindu sectarian bodies in the UK as well as the<BR> & gt;co-ordinators of the SACREs from the local governments. Ask <BR> & gt;them<BR> & gt;if Caste system should be part of the Hindu teachings in the <BR> & gt;UK.<BR> & gt;Not one will agree. & quot;<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;In the final instance we suggested, & quot;It is the Hindus who will <BR> & gt;decide<BR> & gt;what is Hinduism and not a bunch of Western Academics. Please<BR> & gt;take note & quot;. & nbsp; Our presentation was well received by all those <BR> & gt;present.<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;jay<BR> & gt;Vivekananda Centre London<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;<BR> & gt;Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah<BR> & gt;Vivekananda Centre London<BR> & gt;<a href= " http://www.vivekananda.co.uk " >http://www.vivekananda.co.uk</a><BR> & gt;<BR> & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 Dear Sir, How about this computerised reflection : It is the non-computatuional INTELLIGENCE (Chith)that computed the network of the birth,sustainance,and dissolution of this universe and projected it on itself as EXISTENCE (sath) for its Absolute BLISS. With Love, Yours sincerely, Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar For the meaning of non-computational intelligence ,please read The Shadows of the Mind by Roger Penrose, A Cambridge Prof. in Maths --- VijayHirani99 wrote: > Well done, Dilipbhai. > > I was very impressed with the speech you gave at the > brent town hall. > > But obviously many exclusivist religions in decline > feel threatened and are > scared that their followers will pick up new ideas > in a world that is getting > smaller and more multi faceted. One way to stop > people getting new ideas is > give negative perception of other religions to > preserve their own. I am glad > that hinduism does not play generally play this sort > of a game and hope it > does not in the future. > > You have a long fight here. I will pray for you. > > It is great to hear you speak, one sees genuine > emotions in you words and > physical expressions. > > Some of the core nectar in the teachings of > Vivekanada is so advanced that is > requires a tectronic shift in the mind set of > mankind including majority of > the hindus, including myself. One of them being the > question " What is the > true definition of God " ??? > > Difficult job here. Hope you succeed here as > well.... > > / Vijay HIrani > > > ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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