Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Dear Devotees, In Bhakthi Yoga,the SADDHAKA glorifies Bhagavan in different ways and consider himself as Nityam Bhagavata Dasa.In such a esctasic stage of pure devotion he not even wants mukthi what to speak of union with His beloved Bhagavan. Hence what is the position of such exalted souls(according to our Thakur) who renounce even advatic liberation for they never want to become Supreme but want to remain as his eternal servant?(Like Bhaktha Hanuman,Krishna Caitanya,Meera Bai,Mandada etc.) Please reply with valuable comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 > 2. Bhakthi Yoga & Advaita > " k.s.krishna moorthy " <ksksat27 > Bhakthi Yoga & Advaita > > Dear Devotees, > In Bhakthi Yoga,the SADDHAKA glorifies Bhagavan in > different ways and consider himself as Nityam > Bhagavata Dasa. In Bhakti or Devotion, it need not be always dasa bhava - one can have relationship of a friend - sakha bhava, of mother - vatsalya, of beloved - madhur, or peaceful attitude like a Rishi - towards your chosen ideal. Most of the time such an attitude springs from Dvaita Bhava; and cannot be compared with Advaita - no one can say this is superior and that is inferior!!! -- c s shah http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Dear Krishna, The perfect example of such a state was Thakur himself. He used to pray "Mother I want to taste sugar and not become sugar". Sri Ramakrishna advocated praying for Bhakti rather than Mukti. He used to say that everybody is eligible for Mukti but Bhakti is for a chosen few. It is said that Sri Krishna reincarnated as Sri Krishna Chaitanya just to taste the Love of Sri Radha towards Sri Krishna. According to Gaudiya Vaishnavs Radhas love for Sri Krishna is the highest form of Bhakti. Few would disagree. There are many instances of devotees thinking of themselves as women hankering after the love of Sri Krishna in order to taste a little of that Supreme Bliss. Sri Krishna Chaitanya, according to the vaishnavs is the only person on earth who was capable of experiencing the intensity of that love. His body used to be distorted out of recognition when he used to go to the realms of that divine love. Even Sri Ramakrishna acknowledges that ordinary human beings cannot experience and tolerate even a fraction of that love. When Gauri Ma was asked by Sri Ramakrishna to choose between Him and Ma Sarada, she chose Ma Sarada citing that while the whole world danced to the tune of Sri Krishna, He Himself was a toy in the hands of Sri Radha. A blushing Sarada Devi pinched Gauri Ma imploring her not to proceed further on this issue. It is said that Gods reincarnate on earth as mortals to taste the love for God. Even Sri Sankara, the great advaitin, composed priceless hymns filled with love. Many may disagree but Sri Sankara definitely had a taste of that divine love for him to compose such beautiful compositions. Regards Jagannath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Ramakrishna , " k.s.krishna moorthy " <ksksat27> wrote: > Dear Devotees, > In Bhakthi Yoga,the SADDHAKA glorifies Bhagavan in > different ways and consider himself as Nityam > Bhagavata Dasa.In such a esctasic stage of pure > devotion he not even wants mukthi what to speak of > union with His beloved Bhagavan. > Hence what is the position of such exalted > souls(according to our Thakur) who renounce even > advatic liberation for they never want to > become Supreme but want to remain as his eternal > servant?(Like Bhaktha Hanuman,Krishna Caitanya,Meera > Bai,Mandada etc.) > > Please reply with valuable comments. It is interesting to recall a few great stalwarts here. Listen to Madhusudana Saraswati, the confirmed advaitin who says that recalling the vision of the blue-eyed Krishna and his pranks is more interesting and fascinating rather than living in the vision of the unparallelled Glory and Light of the Ultimate. : Seated in meditation, their minds totally absorbed in that Supreme Unmanifested Reality, which is changeles, attributeless and actionless, let the Yogis see that mystic Glory of Light which they seem to visualise; but , for us mortals, we should only yearn that there may miraculously appear before our physical eyes that bluish someone who keeps romping on the shores of the Yamuna: dhyAnAvasthita-tadgatena manasA tam nirguNam nishkriyam jyotiH kimcana yogino yadi punaH paSyanti paSyantu te / asmAkam tu tadeva locana camatkarAya bhUyAt ciram kALindI pulineshu yatkimapi tam nIlam tamo dhAvati // Listen to Bhatttadri,(Narayaneeyam: 98-4) the famous Kerala scholar of the 17th century, in his masterly epitome of Srimad-Bhagavatam. What is Fear? Fear occurs when we are conscious of another object different from oneself. This consciousness of duality is itself an imagination of the mind. I am trying my best through my discrimination to discipline the mind in the consciousness of Oneness. But when my mind is overpowered by your mAyA, the effort is of no avail. Therefore, Oh Lord, I am trying to overcome the fear (caused by duality) by constant and devoted worship of Thyself. bhItir-nAma dvitIyAd bhavati nanu manaH kalpitaM ca dvitIyam tenaikyAbhyAsa-SIlo hRdayamiha yathA Sakti-buddhyA nirundhyAm / mayA-viddhe tu tasmin punarapi na tathA bhAti mayAdhinAthaM tat-tvAM bhaktyA mahatyA satataM anubhajan-nISa bhItiM vijahyAM // Listen to Sankara himself(Sivanandalahari 33): Oh God! What else is there for people like me (Look who is speaking !) in Mukti which is not there in Service to You and Your creation, a namaskara, a stotra in Your glory, a ritual puja, a recollection of your names, meditation on your beatifics, or a darshan of your form ? Is Moksha different from any of these? Even if it is so, what else do I obtain from that? nAlam vA sakRdeva deva bhavatas-sevA natir-vA nutiH pUjA vA smaraNam kathA-shravaNamapy-Alokanam mAdRshAm/ svAmin-nasthira-devatAnusaranA-yAsena kim labhyate kA vA muktir-itaH kuto bhavati cet kim prArthanIyam tadA // PraNAms to the Ramakrishna Order and to The Master profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Thanks Proffessor. That was a wonderful exposition. Regards Jagannath."V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: Ramakrishna , "k.s.krishna moorthy" <ksksat27> wrote:> Dear Devotees,> In Bhakthi Yoga,the SADDHAKA glorifies Bhagavan in> different ways and consider himself as Nityam> Bhagavata Dasa.In such a esctasic stage of pure> devotion he not even wants mukthi what to speak of> union with His beloved Bhagavan.> Hence what is the position of such exalted> souls(according to our Thakur) who renounce even> advatic liberation for they never want to> become Supreme but want to remain as his eternal> servant?(Like Bhaktha Hanuman,Krishna Caitanya,Meera> Bai,Mandada etc.)> > Please reply with valuable comments.It is interesting to recall a few great stalwarts here. Listen to Madhusudana Saraswati, the confirmed advaitin who says that recalling the vision of the blue-eyed Krishna and his pranks is more interesting and fascinating rather than living in the vision of the unparallelled Glory and Light of the Ultimate. : Seated in meditation, their minds totally absorbed in that Supreme Unmanifested Reality, which is changeles, attributeless and actionless, let the Yogis see that mystic Glory of Light which they seem to visualise; but , for us mortals, we should only yearn that there may miraculously appear before our physical eyes that bluish someone who keeps romping on the shores of the Yamuna:dhyAnAvasthita-tadgatena manasA tam nirguNam nishkriyamjyotiH kimcana yogino yadi punaH paSyanti paSyantu te /asmAkam tu tadeva locana camatkarAya bhUyAt ciramkALindI pulineshu yatkimapi tam nIlam tamo dhAvati //Listen to Bhatttadri,(Narayaneeyam: 98-4) the famous Kerala scholar of the 17th century, in his masterly epitome of Srimad-Bhagavatam. What is Fear? Fear occurs when we are conscious of another object different from oneself. This consciousness of duality is itself an imagination of the mind. I am trying my best through my discrimination to discipline the mind in the consciousness of Oneness. But when my mind is overpowered by your mAyA, the effort is of no avail. Therefore, Oh Lord, I am trying to overcome the fear (caused by duality) by constant and devoted worship of Thyself.bhItir-nAma dvitIyAd bhavati nanu manaH kalpitaM ca dvitIyamtenaikyAbhyAsa-SIlo hRdayamiha yathA Sakti-buddhyA nirundhyAm /mayA-viddhe tu tasmin punarapi na tathA bhAti mayAdhinAthaM tat-tvAM bhaktyA mahatyA satataM anubhajan-nISa bhItiM vijahyAM //Listen to Sankara himself(Sivanandalahari 33): Oh God! What else is there for people like me (Look who is speaking !) in Mukti which is not there in Service to You and Your creation, a namaskara, a stotra in Your glory, a ritual puja, a recollection of your names, meditation on your beatifics, or a darshan of your form ? Is Moksha different from any of these? Even if it is so, what else do I obtain from that?nAlam vA sakRdeva deva bhavatas-sevA natir-vA nutiHpUjA vA smaraNam kathA-shravaNamapy-Alokanam mAdRshAm/svAmin-nasthira-devatAnusaranA-yAsena kim labhyatekA vA muktir-itaH kuto bhavati cet kim prArthanIyam tadA //PraNAms to the Ramakrishna Order and to The MasterprofvkSri Ramakrishnaye NamahVivekananda Centre Londonhttp://www.vivekananda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 --- Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > The perfect example of such a state was Thakur > himself. He used to pray " Mother I want to taste > sugar and not become sugar " . Sri Ramakrishna > advocated praying for Bhakti rather than Mukti. He > used to say that everybody is eligible for Mukti but > Bhakti is for a chosen few. > > It is said that Sri Krishna reincarnated as Sri > Krishna Chaitanya just to taste the Love of Sri > Radha towards Sri Krishna. According to Gaudiya > Vaishnavs Radhas love for Sri Krishna is the highest > form of Bhakti. Few would disagree. There are many > instances of devotees thinking of themselves as > women hankering after the love of Sri Krishna in > order to taste a little of that Supreme Bliss. Sri > Krishna Chaitanya, according to the vaishnavs is the > only person on earth who was capable of experiencing > the intensity of that love. His body used to be > distorted out of recognition when he used to go to > the realms of that divine love. Even Sri Ramakrishna > acknowledges that ordinary human beings cannot > experience and tolerate even a fraction of that > love. > > When Gauri Ma was asked by Sri Ramakrishna to choose > between Him and Ma Sarada, she chose Ma Sarada > citing that while the whole world danced to the tune > of Sri Krishna, He Himself was a toy in the hands of > Sri Radha. A blushing Sarada Devi pinched Gauri Ma > imploring her not to proceed further on this issue. > > It is said that Gods reincarnate on earth as mortals > to taste the love for God. > > Even Sri Sankara, the great advaitin, composed > priceless hymns filled with love. Many may disagree > but Sri Sankara definitely had a taste of that > divine love for him to compose such beautiful > compositions. > > Regards > Jagannath. > Thank you much sir.If possible please send to my email address some of our Thakur's experience of Divine Love & Bhakthi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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