Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 The question you have raised is a very valid question and Surprisingly I have been also thinking on the same lines these past few weeks. I will attempt to share what I think with you. Ramakrishna Math and Mission are considered Hindu for the most part and is considered by hindus to belong to the inner circle of hinduism due to its relentless focus on Vedanta and publishing books, journals and lectures which increase awareness as well as broaden perspective on the hindu religion. Now the reason why some of our respected Swami's take the line of a separate religion is probably due to the bias the state and federal government concessions granted to only minority institutions to run schools, colleges etc. Since Ramakrishna Mission is a institution which is classified as Hindu and thus falls into the majority category in India, its prestigious schools and colleges through which Swamiji's man making education is imparted to the youth of india can be taken over by the government. This is a direct fallout of the Raipur college case wherein the lecturers attempted something akin to a coup. A case was filed in West Bengal court which declared The religion as enuniciated by Sri Ramakrishna and Vivekananda was indeed universal in outlook and the Math and Mission did indeed adhere to those ideas. However when the case was taken to the Supreme court it was quashed. There is a long lengthy court copy of the supreme court case on the web. I can give the link If you want. Now the question in the broader sense is and the court acknowledges it is that in India the majority run institutions are discriminated and this precisely is the reason for Ramakrishna Math to go to court trying to get a status as a non hindu organization. Otherwise the very survival of the math and mission is at stake. This is a very delicate matter but after much thinking its this. Its a purely secular matter wherein the Mission was pushed to a corner lest the labors of Swamiji and Sri Ramakrishna might be upsurped by the state. Its a technicality and shouldnt and must not in any way colour the imagination of Ramakrishna devotees that they are non-hindu in any way. We are hindu and much more than that in the contemporary sense of the word. The matter will rest when the laws in India will change in favor of the majority. Here is a link back from 1987 from Hinduism Today.. http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1987/04/1987-04-02.shtml Mother alone does what is good for the Mission. Lets not forget that the divine mother told Sri Ramakrishna that she will find a organization through him. And Divine mother is the most adorable diety in the hindu pantheon so know that Mother has the best interests of all of us when she takes us through these situations. May Mother give strength to the Ramakrishna Math, Mission and all of us devotees. Jai Ramakrishna Vinay If you want peace, do not find fault with others. Rather see your own faults. Learn to make the whole world your own. - Sri Ma Sarada Devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Jai Sri Ramakrishna, Swamiji is the most comprehensive face of Hinduism since Bhagavan Shankaracharya. The Order founded by Him has devotees practising religions outside of Hinduism. I know a Christian follower and devotee of Sri Ramakrishna. ........ but then we also know that Swamiji Himself was a student of Someone Who is the sum total of the Personification of Hinduism....... basically Swamiji is the greates we have had in about 1500 years...... from a historical point of view. For people who choose to compare, measure and calibrate; Swamiji is Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi, incarnated on earth for Humanity. He is not in the same classs as Kabir-Das or Tulsi-Das.He is not even in the same class as Uddhava a companion of Sri Krishna. He is the class of Sri Shankaracharya. And we know of one more in History as the son of Veda-Vyasa named Shuka-Deva. We know this because Sri Thakur Himself had a vision of Vireshwar Shiva. venkatreva wrote: > Namaste, > > I have been a passive observer on this group for some time. > I have attempted to answer the questions below. > > > (a) The situation in India where we hear of the Ramakrishna Mission > > claiming to be 'Ramakrishnaites' - What do we make of this? > Ramakrishna Mission as I see is an important river having its source > in the same place as many other huge and important rivers and > reaching the same one ocean: the source being Hinduism and the ocean > being Brahman. Swami Vivekananda and others have aleady pointed out > that it is water whatever name you call it as. > > > (b) Can Vivekananda be called the most comprehensive > > face of Hinduism? > Swamiji may not be the only face that modern Hinduism has to present > as its voice but he is surely a very important one. > > Thanks. > > -Venkat Krishnamurthy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Suresh, Thanks for a good comment. Yours was a comment from your heart and my earlier comment was from my intellect. Regards. Ramakrishna , Suresh <suresh@i...> wrote: > Jai Sri Ramakrishna, > > Swamiji is the most comprehensive face of Hinduism > since Bhagavan Shankaracharya. The Order founded by Him > has devotees practising religions outside of Hinduism. I know > a Christian follower and devotee of Sri Ramakrishna. > > ....... but then we also know that Swamiji Himself was a student of Someone > Who is the sum total of the Personification of Hinduism....... > > basically Swamiji is the greates we have had in about 1500 years...... > from a historical > point of view. > > For people who choose to compare, measure and calibrate; Swamiji is > Vireshwar > Shiva of Varanasi, incarnated on earth for Humanity. > > He is not in the same classs as Kabir-Das or Tulsi-Das.He is not even in the > same class as Uddhava a companion of Sri Krishna. He is the class of > Sri Shankaracharya. And we know of one more in History as the son > of Veda-Vyasa named Shuka-Deva. We know this because Sri Thakur > Himself had a vision of Vireshwar Shiva. > > > venkatreva wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > I have been a passive observer on this group for some time. > > I have attempted to answer the questions below. > > > > > (a) The situation in India where we hear of the Ramakrishna Mission > > > claiming to be 'Ramakrishnaites' - What do we make of this? > > Ramakrishna Mission as I see is an important river having its source > > in the same place as many other huge and important rivers and > > reaching the same one ocean: the source being Hinduism and the ocean > > being Brahman. Swami Vivekananda and others have aleady pointed out > > that it is water whatever name you call it as. > > > > > (b) Can Vivekananda be called the most comprehensive > > > face of Hinduism? > > Swamiji may not be the only face that modern Hinduism has to present > > as its voice but he is surely a very important one. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Venkat Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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