Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 --- Narendra P Shastry <digital_brahma wrote: > so i sincerely suggest you to first and foremost > read bhagawan sriramakrishnas biography and his > philosophy, then you can realise and feel the whole > gist of sanathana dharma. because the recent > incarnation of vishnu is in the form of ramakrishna This comment created a thought of how the followers of Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada (ISKCON - the Hare Krishnas) have stated that all avatars are predicted in authorized scriptures. Does this apply to Sri Ramakrishna? Peace, Love, Harmony Stephen Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Dear Stephen, What are the " authorized " scriptures? regards, michael --- Stephen Kennedy <bummer1962 wrote: > SNIP > This comment created a thought of how the followers > of > Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada (ISKCON - the > Hare > Krishnas) have stated that all avatars are predicted > in authorized scriptures. Does this apply to Sri > Ramakrishna? > > Peace, Love, Harmony > Stephen > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Hi, swami vivekananda had said people can take sriramakrishna as they want..either as a perfected soul or an avatar and it would do more harm to impose the idea of an avatar on all and we know how swamiji himself had doubted it till the end. anyways i think sriramakrishna is not bound by the scriptures for what he spoke was as or more holier than the revealed scriptures,he himself being the living proof of them all. regards, raj --- Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote: > Dear Stephen, > > What are the " authorized " scriptures? > > regards, > > michael > > --- Stephen Kennedy <bummer1962 wrote: > > > SNIP > > > This comment created a thought of how the > followers > > of > > Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada (ISKCON - the > > Hare > > Krishnas) have stated that all avatars are > predicted > > in authorized scriptures. Does this apply to Sri > > Ramakrishna? > > > > Peace, Love, Harmony > > Stephen > > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Dear Michael, Did not Lord Krishna tell in the Gita that he would come down as Man whenever Dharma is lost. With the advent of Sri Ramakrishna, there is no doubt that Hinduism was rejuvinated and the true meaning of this religion (i.e. harmonizing all existing religions) is established. Lord Rama didn't exihibit as many miracles and didn't teach anyone as Lord Krishna did. Shall we compare both and tell that Lord Rama is not Lord Vishnu incarnate? The Lord has infinite qualities and infinite forms. Since we can't comprehend him with all his qualities, whenever people find a particular quality to manifest in a man, they accept him as an incarnation of the Lord. Again, it's left to one's belief. As Lord Krishna tells, he will reveal himself to his devotees in whatever form they want, but he is unattached. Is there any person in the history of world religions that was as adventurous as Sri Ramakrishna in exploring the truth from the point of all religions. Is it possible for a normal man to achieve such a feat in a short span of 50 years. Because Sri Sankaracharya achieved the remarkable success of reviving Hinduism within a short span of 33 years, he is considered as an incarnation of Lord Siva, by most of his followers. The bottom line is whenever we see qualities in a person that are not achievable by a mere mortal, we consider him as an incarnation of God, whichever form of God u may ascribe him to. Humble pranams, Prasad. Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 In a message dated 10/30/2003 6:44:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, popsriram writes: Did not Lord Krishna tell in the Gita that he >would >come down as Man whenever Dharma is lost. True. Below is what Gita says on this: Whenever there is a decline of righteousness, and the rise of unrighteousness, then I manifest myself. For the protection of the good, for the destruction of the wicked and for the establishment of righteousness, I am born in every age. -The sequence of oppression, compression and explosion is etched in history - first there is oppression of the good by evil. As oppression grows and when it reaches the limit, it turns into compression that squeezes the core and disturbs what is inside - God. When evil touches the core, God manifests his power in the form of a divine explosion or appearance of the Avatara -There is purification and redemption of the wicked people and not necessarily their destruction - this is the purpose of an Avatara, to establish righteousness. In this sense, Krishna, Christ, Moses, Rama, Buddha, Zarathustra, Mohammed, and others, are all Avatara of God -An Avatara may manifest his divinity or choose to hide it with his "Maya" - since they all uphold righteousness, they are God For more on this and related subjects, please visit my site at: http://www.PeopleSuperHighway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I read in some book about ramakrishna where he says that he would be incarnating again in " vayavya disha " (north-west direction) a hundred years later from then. Thats rounds off to the current period! Any comments!! --- prasad pratapa <pratapaprasad wrote: > Dear Michael, > Did not Lord Krishna tell in the Gita that he > would > come down as Man whenever Dharma is lost. With the > advent of Sri Ramakrishna, there is no doubt that > Hinduism was rejuvinated and the true meaning of > this > religion (i.e. harmonizing all existing religions) > is > established. Lord Rama didn't exihibit as many > miracles and didn't teach anyone as Lord Krishna > did. > Shall we compare both and tell that Lord Rama is not > Lord Vishnu incarnate? The Lord has infinite > qualities and infinite forms. Since we can't > comprehend him with all his qualities, whenever > people > find a particular quality to manifest in a man, they > accept him as an incarnation of the Lord. Again, > it's > left to one's belief. As Lord Krishna tells, he > will > reveal himself to his devotees in whatever form they > want, but he is unattached. Is there any person in > the history of world religions that was as > adventurous > as Sri Ramakrishna in exploring the truth from the > point of all religions. Is it possible for a normal > man to achieve such a feat in a short span of 50 > years. Because Sri Sankaracharya achieved the > remarkable success of reviving Hinduism within a > short > span of 33 years, he is considered as an incarnation > of Lord Siva, by most of his followers. The bottom > line is whenever we see qualities in a person that > are > not achievable by a mere mortal, we consider him as > an > incarnation of God, whichever form of God u may > ascribe him to. > > Humble pranams, > Prasad. > > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Haribol! Exactly the delimma. I have run into so many " authorized " scriptures the such a call is difficult. Especially repugnant are the ones that condemn all others. I guess I would venture to ask then if there were any prophecies anywhere before the advent of Sri Ramakrishna. I have always held him to be the latest incarnation of Vishnu. But studies in other sects have sparked this question. --- Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote: > Dear Stephen, > > What are the " authorized " scriptures? > > regards, > > michael > > --- Stephen Kennedy <bummer1962 wrote: > > > SNIP > > > This comment created a thought of how the > followers > > of > > Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada (ISKCON - the > > Hare > > Krishnas) have stated that all avatars are > predicted > > in authorized scriptures. Does this apply to Sri > > Ramakrishna? > > > > Peace, Love, Harmony > > Stephen > > > > > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 dear gurubhaies for your doubt this is what i feel. because pls go through the biography of sriramakrishna, pls see the section that describes the situation of before birth of gurudeva, there khudiram once goes to gaya to do vishnupooja and does that, after that he sleeps , in his dream lord vishnu tells him that in future there would be dharma glaani, for that "i want to born as your son" after that......... and what does bhairavi brahmini announce in the spiritual meeting? also, when totapuri asks him to meditate on nirakaara brahma, gurudeva goes to samaadhi immediately after that totapuri amazes about it because to reach samadhi totapuri was practised meditation for about 40 hard years. and also pls see the section of gurudevs mahasamaadhi, there gurudevas cancer was irritating him, at that moment swamy vivekananda in his mind thinks that " IF HE IS A INCARNATED SOUL THEN HE WOULDN'T HAVE SUFFERED LIKE .. " for that gurumaharaj replies to his thought like this "WHO HAS INCARNATED AS RAMA AND KRISHNA BEFORE , THAT HE IS NOW INCARNATED AS RAMAKRISHNA.. NOT WITH YOUR INTELLECT OR SCRIPTURES KNOWLEDGES PERCEPTION" with this samiji feels shy and confesses to gurudeva for doubting him pls go throught sri bhagavadgeetha, as you people know, lord srikrishna tells that he would incarnate when ever dharmaglaani takes place. so he has incarnated as chaitanya , nitya nanda, .etc.. and as ramakrishna...and he will keep incarnates to protect DHARMA no doubt that ramakrishna is the latest incarnation of vishnu. so my dear gurubhaies i am telling this from my little knowledge, i may be wrong, i dont know but this is my hearts view. regards KSNPrasadStephen Kennedy <bummer1962 wrote: Haribol!Exactly the delimma. I have run into so many"authorized" scriptures the such a call is difficult.Especially repugnant are the ones that condemn allothers. I guess I would venture to ask then if therewere any prophecies anywhere before the advent of SriRamakrishna. I have always held him to be the latestincarnation of Vishnu. But studies in other sects havesparked this question.--- Michael Bowes <rmichaelbowes wrote:> Dear Stephen,> > What are the "authorized" scriptures?> > regards,> > michael> > --- Stephen Kennedy <bummer1962 wrote:> > > SNIP> > > This comment created a thought of how the> followers> > of> > Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada (ISKCON - the> > Hare> > Krishnas) have stated that all avatars are> predicted> > in authorized scriptures. Does this apply to Sri> > Ramakrishna?> > > > Peace, Love, Harmony> > Stephen> > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 --- Stephen Kennedy <bummer1962 wrote: > Haribol! > Exactly the delimma. I have run into so many > " authorized " scriptures the such a call is > difficult. > Especially repugnant are the ones that condemn all > others. I guess I would venture to ask then if there > were any prophecies anywhere before the advent of > Sri > Ramakrishna. I have always held him to be the latest > incarnation of Vishnu. But studies in other sects > have > sparked this question. > REPLY-- Dear Stephen and ALL, Here are my deepest feelings on the subject of Sri Ramakrishna. I don't know of any prophecies that would indicate that Sri Ramakrishna was an avatar. And I certainly don't know all of the Hindu Scriptures. But, thanks to Swami Vivekananda, and M the writer of the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, and thanks to the other great disciples such as the author of " The Great Master " , etc., I know the life of Sri Ramakrishna. And to know the life of Sri Ramakrishna is to love him. To me he is the greatest example of spiritual life that I have ever known. His various sadhanas, his practice of the world religions, his interaction with his own devotees and the devotees of various sects, and his wisdom, kindness and tolerance, all are indicative of the nature of a spiritual superman. Take him to be whatever you like; but decide for yourself based on the facts of his life. Discriminating and thoughtful people who are truly informed of the life of Sri Ramakrishna shouldn't need prophesies or scriptures to realize his greatness. After all, when a person speaks about what is " authorized " , then that implies that there is an " authorizer " . So then, Who is the final " authority " ? Actually, it is YOU. We make our own decisions based upon what we feel is correct. Study the life of Sri Ramakrishna and then make your own decisions. Love, michael Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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