Material men and Spiritualism

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Yes!

 

As I posted earlier, a wonderful book about the

consciousness of plants is " The Secret Life of

Plants " , by Peter Tomkins and Christopher Byrd (Bird).

 

--- narenpm <narenpm wrote:

> Dear Dhananjya,

>

SNIP

>

> And in that case why be so sympathetic to animals

> alone. Dr.

> Jagdish Chandra Bose and other scientists proved

> that plants have

> life too.

 

" The Secret Life of Plants " has a chpater about

Jagdish Chandra Bose. He was a most amazing

person/scientist. He devised wonderful machines that

demonstrated the conscious responses of plants to

stimulas. Fantastic!!!!!!

 

Life is wonderful!!!!! It isn't possible to destroy

or even to deter life.

 

Love,

 

michael

 

 

 

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Hello,

 

Here are my thoughts on what I believe. Please read in between the lines:

 

You write:

Who are we to decide what species should live or not live? Are we

the ones who decided that the dinosaurs should cease to exist

millions of years back? Are we the ones who created carnivorous

animals, whose own species will be extinguished if they don't eat

other animals? For every fish that human beings catch from ocean to

eat there are million fish being eaten by larger fish or dying in

the ocean. We (human beings) might not know even one percent of the

total number of species that God has created or creating and

destroying everyday.

 

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Yes you are right. There are processes, including the evolution, that are

beyond our control.

 

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You write:

 

And in that case why be so sympathetic to animals alone. Dr.

Jagdish Chandra Bose and other scientists proved that plants have

life too. They too feel the pain when they are cut or killed. Poor

plants they can't run away to save their lives or shout that would

be audible to us, so should we consider that eating vegetables is no

or lesser crime then eating animal flesh?

 

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it is no crime to eat the plant food. They provide the proteins, vitamins,

sugar, & oil etc necessary for the human body and thats a scientific fact.

The vegetation grow up, flourish and provide the human beings their fruits

and not their life. We don't cut an apple tree to eat its fruit, do we?? We

don't attack the trees to pluck the fruit. We are very sympathetic to the

plants. We plant, nurture & eat what the plants offer and not destroy its

life in the process!! What sounds so wrong to you??

 

 

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You write:

Plants to me are like mentally retarded human beings to me that cannot shout

or run away for life when we cut them to fill our stomach. So does

that mean that attacking `mentally retarded people' is not a sin?

 

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It is very sick to call the plants 'mentally retarded people'!!! They are

not!!! For God's sake they are a beautiful creation, perfectly healthy

plants. Killing an animal or encouraging so by buying and eating meat is a

sin, it is not comparable to eating the fruit of a plant. You owe an apology

to mother nature for your offensive thoughts.

 

Best regards,

Anand

 

 

Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:28:17 -0000

" narenpm " <narenpm

Re: Material men and Spiritualism

Dear Dhananjya,

Who am I to pardon your immature thoughts? First of all I don't

even have right to decide whether your thought (below) are mature or

immature. In fact from my original email you might have noticed

that I'm myself struggling to find out as to who has right to decide

what's 'dharma' and what's 'adharma'.

Who are we to decide what species should live or not live? Are we

the ones who decided that the dinosaurs should cease to exist

millions of years back? Are we the ones who created carnivorous

animals, whose own species will be extinguished if they don't eat

other animals? For every fish that human beings catch from ocean to

eat there are million fish being eaten by larger fish or dying in

the ocean. We (human beings) might not know even one percent of the

total number of species that God has created or creating and

destroying everyday.

And in that case why be so sympathetic to animals alone. Dr.

Jagdish Chandra Bose and other scientists proved that plants have

life too. They too feel the pain when they are cut or killed. Poor

plants they can't run away to save their lives or shout that would

be audible to us, so should we consider that eating vegetables is no

or lesser crime then eating animal flesh?

I would be very happy if you or anybody could help me understand as

to how eating vegetable is any better than eating flesh. Plants to

me are like mentally retarded human beings to me that cannot shout

or run away for life when we cut them to fill our stomach. So does

that mean that attacking `mentally retarded people' is not a sin?

If it makes any sense then why should we eat vegetable in the first

place? Don't they have right to be left alone as is where is?

Best regards,

Pradip

 

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Dear All,

It is interesting to discuss about the Material and Spritual, Veg vs non-veg. We all compare the incident of Sri Ramakrishna, walking on the grass. But we forget one thing, his conscious was one with HIS conscious. Until we develop to that conscious level, even though you see the animal or other human suffering, you can't have real feeling.

 

This is same with Love also. Habbits are the "TIP of ICEBERG" of one's Charector. If you worry about more external things and try to change the external habbits, then you will never have time to change the internal. Both has to go hand in hand.

 

In Vaishnava principle, they give more importance to food and external factors. People will follow that till their death and feel they are superior being than other, are they? So they carry their ego and proudness with them, when they die.

 

If you notice, Sri Guru maharaj life, Holy Mother's life and Swamiji's life, they were never the same or copy of each other. Infact, it is true for all Avatar's and Saints. This teaches us that we have to form our own laws, but our goal should be the same as the great Avatars and Saints.

 

My point is read Guru maharj's life humpty number of times and see which suits your temperment. Then draw a plan of action with your own style to acheive the Goal, instead of wasting time about external factors.

 

The above is not for argueing or to disputing with you people, it is just my thoughts.

 

Shankar

 

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