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Dear Friends,

 

I would like to share an incident with you.

 

Last Sunday when I had been to the temple of our Bhubaneswar Math I saw a

strange sight. A teenaged couple were sitting in one of the benches. They were

in a very romantic mood and the boy was repeatedly trying to embrace the girl.

This was over and above their love talk. I was taken aback as such an incident

has never taken place in the temple premises of the Math in its 75 year old

history. I somehow finished my japam and came down in search of the Pujari

Maharaj who is in charge of the temple. I told him everything. He felt very

embarrassed and asked me to request the couple to vacate. I went up again and

told them politely that such behaviour was not tolerated. They both looked at me

and fell silent. However my anger did not subside at that and I informed the

Head of the Math. He immediately gave orders that the couple be driven out of

the Math premises.

 

Later when my anger subsided I started thinking about the incident. The

teenagers were obviously wrong but was driving them out the only answer? Was it

the mistake of theirs or was today's environs responsible for such things? By

driving them away did we not drive away Thakur from their lives? Would they ever

visit the Math again with better intentions? Would it not have been better to

counsel them lovingly? I was really troubled by the incident and the thoughts

still rankle me. Is Thakur not for everybody? Are we so holy that we judge

others?

 

I would like to know the views of our list members.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yes, i think what you are retrospecting about is right. we are all often too

judgemental in our life and whenever i have done the same i have felt ashamed

later that being righteous or moralistic is perhaps too rigid and narrow an

attitude to take in life. love is maybe the best way to deal with any situation.

 

 

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 Jagannath Chatterjee wrote :

>

>Dear Friends,

>

>I would like to share an incident with you.

>

>Last Sunday when I had been to the temple of our Bhubaneswar Math I saw a

strange sight. A teenaged couple were sitting in one of the benches. They were

in a very romantic mood and the boy was repeatedly trying to embrace the girl.

This was over and above their love talk. I was taken aback as such an incident

has never taken place in the temple premises of the Math in its 75 year old

history. I somehow finished my japam and came down in search of the Pujari

Maharaj who is in charge of the temple. I told him everything. He felt very

embarrassed and asked me to request the couple to vacate. I went up again and

told them politely that such behaviour was not tolerated. They both looked at me

and fell silent. However my anger did not subside at that and I informed the

Head of the Math. He immediately gave orders that the couple be driven out of

the Math premises.

>

>Later when my anger subsided I started thinking about the incident. The

teenagers were obviously wrong but was driving them out the only answer? Was it

the mistake of theirs or was today's environs responsible for such things? By

driving them away did we not drive away Thakur from their lives? Would they ever

visit the Math again with better intentions? Would it not have been better to

counsel them lovingly? I was really troubled by the incident and the thoughts

still rankle me. Is Thakur not for everybody? Are we so holy that we judge

others?

>

>I would like to know the views of our list members.

>

>Regards,

>Jagannath.

>

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>

>

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Dear Jaganath Ji ,

When anger subsides & when we start (re) thinking on an hindsight there are

always some kind of correction factors which lead us think either we are guilty

or gets us a different kind of answer .

But we need to really draw a line as to which incidents requires a hindsight

retrospection .

 

Getting the romantic act at a place of worship certainly requires a get out

order .

Just as you kind thought had gone towards the couple thinking they missed an

opportunity to get Sri Sri Thakurs grace or a 2nd visit to Math looks uncertain

, why cant we think that it was through Thakur's order ( through your goodselves

) that they had to go out of the premises .

Why cant we think that the act could have also affected certain weak minds who

come to find solace at Math & blessing from the Holy Trinity ?

Why shouldnt we think that if such things continue , for the sake of this couple

few others who wouldnt like such sights would prefer to go to some other place (

moving away from Thakur )

 

Think what would happen if many couples take the holy environment of the Math in

their own hand ?

Its better we remove the bad weeds from the root so that the place is always

healthy .

 

Our scriptures provide the best answers , the old temples provide the best

anwers .

 

We are also not 100% pure in anyway ( sorry if I am a bit harsh ) , but we all

attempt to move forward on the spiritual path by going into temples & get

ourselves think of the Lord.

 

lets not get into feeling so bad for an act which deserves it due place .

 

Lets also not forget the new Brahmacharins who have sacrificed their family life

& joined the Math & see such acts of romance .

If Thakur wants to shower his grace on the couple , no one in the world can ever

stop it .

 

As Swamiji had said , " you get what you deserve " ...probably thats what the

couple got !!

 

Thanks

 

Sanjeev

Chennai

 

 

 

Jagannath Chatterjee [jagchat01]

11 April 2004 13:27

Ramakrishna

[sri Ramakrishna] An Incident.

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I would like to share an incident with you.

 

Last Sunday when I had been to the temple of our Bhubaneswar Math I saw a

strange sight. A teenaged couple were sitting in one of the benches. They were

in a very romantic mood and the boy was repeatedly trying to embrace the girl.

This was over and above their love talk. I was taken aback as such an incident

has never taken place in the temple premises of the Math in its 75 year old

history. I somehow finished my japam and came down in search of the Pujari

Maharaj who is in charge of the temple. I told him everything. He felt very

embarrassed and asked me to request the couple to vacate. I went up again and

told them politely that such behaviour was not tolerated. They both looked at me

and fell silent. However my anger did not subside at that and I informed the

Head of the Math. He immediately gave orders that the couple be driven out of

the Math premises.

 

Later when my anger subsided I started thinking about the incident. The

teenagers were obviously wrong but was driving them out the only answer? Was it

the mistake of theirs or was today's environs responsible for such things? By

driving them away did we not drive away Thakur from their lives? Would they ever

visit the Math again with better intentions? Would it not have been better to

counsel them lovingly? I was really troubled by the incident and the thoughts

still rankle me. Is Thakur not for everybody? Are we so holy that we judge

others?

 

I would like to know the views of our list members.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sri Jagannath and all,

 

--- Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I would like to share an incident with you.

>

> Last Sunday when I had been to the temple of our

> Bhubaneswar Math I saw a strange sight. A teenaged

> couple were sitting in one of the benches. They were

> in a very romantic mood and the boy was repeatedly

> trying to embrace the girl. This was over and above

> their love talk. I was taken aback as such an

> incident has never taken place in the temple

> premises of the Math in its 75 year old history....

 

 

> By driving them away

> did we not drive away Thakur from their lives? Would

> they ever visit the Math again with better

> intentions? Would it not have been better to counsel

> them lovingly? I was really troubled by the incident

> and the thoughts still rankle me. Is Thakur not for

> everybody? Are we so holy that we judge others?

>

 

Dear Jagannath,

 

Don't be too hard on yourelf. Your efforts to correct

these young people has now resulted in you correcting

your own self. All is the SELF. When we see wrong in

others then we are actually seeing it in our own SELF.

Remove all wrong from your own life and you will have

removed it from ALL. Let others be as they are.

Forgive them, forgive yourSELF.

 

I offer a brief quote from the Christian Bible, The

Gospel of Luke, Chapter 6, verses 36-38:

 

" Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Do not

judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and

you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be

forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good

measure, pressed down, shaken together and running

over, will be poured into your lap. For with the

measure you use, it will be measured to you. "

 

Warmest regards,

 

michael

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Haribol to all:

 

I'm occidental but a few years ago I was in the Hare Krishna farm in Brazil and

I saw the similar scene and the Spiritual Master (occidental too) that was near

to me, order to somebody told to the young couple stopped, I was remember that I

was in total agree with the Master because I was feeling that these teenagers

was offended to the Divinity in the Temple.

Now I'm thinking that the teenagers sometimes to be things wrongs, this is

normal, and always is very good to have near somebody that to show them the

correct path, certainly the God's Blessing came them in the just time.

Thanks and sorry for my english,

Padmavati

 

Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote:

 

Dear Friends,

 

I would like to share an incident with you.

 

 

 

 

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dear sir,

Maa said once if one of my child comes to me wallowed in dirt will i stop loving

him?.

We are taught to love everyone.

mamta

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Jagannath Chatterjee

Ramakrishna

Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:26 PM

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" M A, Sanjeev (M.A.) " <msanjeev wrote:Dear Jaganath Ji ,

When anger subsides & when we start (re) thinking on an hindsight there are

always some kind of correction factors which lead us think either we are guilty

or gets us a different kind of answer .

But we need to really draw a line as to which incidents requires a hindsight

retrospection .

 

Getting the romantic act at a place of worship certainly requires a get out

order .

Just as you kind thought had gone towards the couple thinking they missed an

opportunity to get Sri Sri Thakurs grace or a 2nd visit to Math looks uncertain

, why cant we think that it was through Thakur's order ( through your goodselves

) that they had to go out of the premises .

Why cant we think that the act could have also affected certain weak minds who

come to find solace at Math & blessing from the Holy Trinity ?

Why shouldnt we think that if such things continue , for the sake of this couple

few others who wouldnt like such sights would prefer to go to some other place (

moving away from Thakur )

 

Think what would happen if many couples take the holy environment of the Math in

their own hand ?

Its better we remove the bad weeds from the root so that the place is always

healthy .

 

Our scriptures provide the best answers , the old temples provide the best

anwers .

 

We are also not 100% pure in anyway ( sorry if I am a bit harsh ) , but we all

attempt to move forward on the spiritual path by going into temples & get

ourselves think of the Lord.

 

lets not get into feeling so bad for an act which deserves it due place .

 

Lets also not forget the new Brahmacharins who have sacrificed their family life

& joined the Math & see such acts of romance .

If Thakur wants to shower his grace on the couple , no one in the world can ever

stop it .

 

As Swamiji had said , " you get what you deserve " ...probably thats what the

couple got !!

 

Thanks

 

Sanjeev

Chennai

 

 

 

Jagannath Chatterjee [jagchat01]

11 April 2004 13:27

Ramakrishna

[sri Ramakrishna] An Incident.

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I would like to share an incident with you.

 

Last Sunday when I had been to the temple of our Bhubaneswar Math I saw a

strange sight. A teenaged couple were sitting in one of the benches. They were

in a very romantic mood and the boy was repeatedly trying to embrace the girl.

This was over and above their love talk. I was taken aback as such an incident

has never taken place in the temple premises of the Math in its 75 year old

history. I somehow finished my japam and came down in search of the Pujari

Maharaj who is in charge of the temple. I told him everything. He felt very

embarrassed and asked me to request the couple to vacate. I went up again and

told them politely that such behaviour was not tolerated. They both looked at me

and fell silent. However my anger did not subside at that and I informed the

Head of the Math. He immediately gave orders that the couple be driven out of

the Math premises.

 

Later when my anger subsided I started thinking about the incident. The

teenagers were obviously wrong but was driving them out the only answer? Was it

the mistake of theirs or was today's environs responsible for such things? By

driving them away did we not drive away Thakur from their lives? Would they ever

visit the Math again with better intentions? Would it not have been better to

counsel them lovingly? I was really troubled by the incident and the thoughts

still rankle me. Is Thakur not for everybody? Are we so holy that we judge

others?

 

I would like to know the views of our list members.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear List

Following message from Babu ....We had to edit the tail ends out.

We request the members to ensure that they remove tail end of

earlier message before forwarding them to the whole list...............jay

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" Babu " <baburoy

<Ramakrishna >

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 04:59

Re: [sri Ramakrishna] An Incident.

 

 

One does go through a phase in life when an action is taken, and one

feels regretful about that.

Now, how could one have dealt with this situation?

a) Compassion, and this case it would have been to advise them, to

make them aware that what they were doing was wrong, seeing the

circumstances.

b) Ignorance, a 'who cares' attitude

c) Action, which was taken.

 

Generally, people would have followed the second path.

 

Now, I have a question? Was the action taken really wrong? A couple

(I am assuming they were mature adults) would definately realize

that what they did was wrong. They may come back, if they want to.

 

And another question - wouldn't Swamiji (Swami Vivekananda also have

reacted similarly)

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Dear Jagannath ji,

 

Here is an excerpt from " Sri Ramakrishna and His

Divine Play " - a translation of the Lilaprasanga by

Swami Chetananda. This is from Page 815.

 

The advice that the Master gave to women devotees was

similar to what he told men. We remember that he once

cautioned an extremely soft-hearted woman in this way

: " Suppose a man you know takes great pains to help

you on every occasion. However, you feel that this is

because he's enchanted by your beauty and is too weak

to break the spell. In that case would you be gentle

to him? Wouldn't you instead give him a hard kick and

stay away from him forever? So you see, you can't

always treat everyone kindly under all conditions.

There is a limit to showing kindness; one should

consider time, place and person. "

 

On page 814, Thakur is saying to Swami Yogananda :

 

" That man spoke ill of me without any cause, and you

sat in silence and did nothing! Do you know what the

scriptures say? A disciple should cut off the head of

anyone who speaks ill of his guru, or should leave the

place at once. You didn't protest against these false

accusations? "

 

 

best wishes,

ashish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear jagannathji,

I don't find anything wrong in your reaction. But

when u told the couple that what they were doing is

wrong at a spiritual place, u should have asked them

to leave the place, in a polite manner. If they still

continued their intolerable behavior, then u should

have involved the head of the Math. Since u were

angry with their behavior, u wanted to see them

punished. When my kid does not behave, I try to

correct by reasoning. Inspite of this, if she does it

again, I will punish her. But I do this not in a fit

of anger, but in the spirit of correcting her

behavior. If u had done all the actions in the spirit

of correcting the couple, there is nothing wrong. As

ur a spiritually advanced person, and that u did those

actions in a fit of anger, ur feeling bad. If I were

u, I would have asked them to leave the premises even

without consulting anyone at the Math. If they didn't

listen, then I would have involved authorities.

 

With Pranams,

Prasad

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Dear Jagannath ji,

 

what a typical dilemma! me too have faced it numerous

times especially when i had had a lot of sinful

thoughts and felt very guilty about it when i was in

the math premises. however, i found solace in M's

literature where he portrayed succinctly the

acceptance and blessings of Thakur granted to one of

his inner circle members, whose name i cannot recall

correctly (is it Mathur babu? Pardon me if mistaken.)

It seems that the gentleman had enjoyed life's

temptations thoroughly and yet was a favoured devotee

of the master. Perhaps his acceptance by Thakur is a

beacon. I will watch keenly what the other members of

this group would have to say on your topic. Namasthe.

 

--- Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote:

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> Dear Friends,

>

> I would like to share an incident with you.

>>

>

 

=====

Madhu Kommaraju

 

 

 

 

 

 

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