Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 " Sheetal " <sheetal <snip> > It is a fact that ' Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can be > transformed from one state to 'nother ' > Since the soul is also an energy, how do we justify the population growth in > the world or creation of new souls? > Can anyone please throw more light on this? ---Response------------------------------- Science has demonstrated that Matter and Energy are interchangeable. But the total of Matter & Energy remains the same. But Matter or Energy are not the 'Spirit' the essential aspect of the Soul. This is not an easy idea to put across. Best way to explain the distinction between Matter/Energy and Spirit is by the use of this metaphor. Imagine we are at the seaside and the sun is out, we see millions of waves. At the crest of each wave we see a sparkle. It appears as if the sea is alive - shimmering with millions of suns. Sometimes some of these waves disappear thus the sparkle seems to have gone while again in other parts of the sea we see more waves rising up and sparkling....So many apparent births and deaths of 'souls.' Sometimes huge number of waves rising up and giving the appearance of so many 'souls' coming into being. In our metaphor:- The Sun is the Spirit. The Water and the Waves are the Matter & Energy. The individual wave with the shimmer is the individual 'Soul' The 'Soul' is thus called the 'embodied' Spirit. Spirit apparently caught up in the body/mind complex. Just as the sparkle seems to be in the water and dependent on the waves we know that it really belongs to the Sun and was not produced by the water. In the same way the essential aspect of the 'Soul' the 'Spirit' does not belong to or depend on matter or energy. Just as the Sun is not affected by the number of waves in the sea, the Spirit is neither created nor depleted by the play of matter & energy. The cause of confusion is equating 'Spirit' with 'Energy'. The Spirit is essentially different from both Energy and Matter. jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Hello, It is true that the population has increased so greatly, but is it not true that millions of species of birds, animal,s plants, insects, etc have become extinct? Is it not possible that it is these souls have taken on the human body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Hari Priya Rao / Ashok, Thank you for airing your views! From your point of view, it makes sense that extinction of some species equally balance the total population. But based on this assumption, the next question that arises: (Sorry abou' dragging this topic further). Based on what Karma do the other species, get the human form? Do the other species have the scope to grow-up spiritually like the humans? Regards, Sheetal R M - " hari_priya_rao " <hari_priya_rao <Ramakrishna > Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:31 PM [sri Ramakrishna] Re: Source of new souls? > Hello, > It is true that the population has increased so greatly, but is it > not true that millions of species of birds, animal,s plants, > insects, etc have become extinct? Is it not possible that it is > these souls have taken on the human body? Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hello, As there is a completion of one life cycle the atma goes into another body.If the Atma is completely free from sins then it will straightly go to the god ! It can on any body depending on the sins commited in the previous births ! take care Radhe krishna hari_priya_rao <hari_priya_rao wrote: Hello, It is true that the population has increased so greatly, but is it not true that millions of species of birds, animal,s plants, insects, etc have become extinct? Is it not possible that it is these souls have taken on the human body? Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.vivekananda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hello, That is a nice reasoning. While Karma definitely decides the destiny and form, spiritual growth in the other species I feel is non-existent. Can anybody elaborate on this ? Regards Yogish - " Sheetal " <sheetal <Ramakrishna > Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:19 PM Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Re: Source of new souls? > Hi Hari Priya Rao / Ashok, > > Thank you for airing your views! > >From your point of view, it makes sense that extinction of some species > equally balance the total population. > But based on this assumption, the next question that arises: (Sorry abou' > dragging this topic further). > Based on what Karma do the other species, get the human form? > Do the other species have the scope to grow-up spiritually like the humans? > > Regards, > Sheetal R M - > " hari_priya_rao " <hari_priya_rao > <Ramakrishna > > Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:31 PM > [sri Ramakrishna] Re: Source of new souls? > > > > Hello, > > It is true that the population has increased so greatly, but is it > > not true that millions of species of birds, animal,s plants, > > insects, etc have become extinct? Is it not possible that it is > > these souls have taken on the human body? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.vivekananda.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Mr. Hari Priya Rao, No one can prove or disporve whether animals which are dead have taken the human body or not. The great lord has balanced the world with earth, water, air, human species, animals, vegetations etc. The question most relevant to us the hunman beings is, to answer the question " Who Am I " ? Accroding to the Hindu philosophy, we are neither the body, nor the mind, nor the intellect, but we are the supreme consciousness: " Satyam Jnanam Anantham Bramha " , accroding to Taithiriya Upanishad. So we need to go within ourselves to realize that we are in fact the supreme consciousness, by breaking the veil of Ajnana( ignorance or Maya). Have you ever asked yourself a question regarding the following: Say, You had a nice sleep. So during sleep, your mind was not working. But when you wake up you tell some one that you had a nice sleep. So if your mind was not working when you were fast asleep, who was witnessing your sleep? That is the pure consciousness which is always witnessing every thing that happens. It is beyond the states of Jagrit( state of awakeness), Swapna( dream state) and Sushupti( state of deep sleep). --- hari_priya_rao <hari_priya_rao wrote: > Hello, > It is true that the population has increased so > greatly, > > > ===== Incredibly low long distance phone rate: 4.5 cents pm! go to:http://www.ldpcphonemodem.cjb.net Need extra cash? Click on:www.theexplodingbusiness.cjb.net Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Would you be kind enough to let me know where this citation is? Thanks. kishan ramesh <kishanramesh wrote: Hello, As there is a completion of one life cycle the atma goes into another body.If the Atma is completely free from sins then it will straightly go to the god ! It can on any body depending on the sins commited in the previous births ! take care Radhe krishna hari_priya_rao <hari_priya_rao wrote: Hello, It is true that the population has increased so greatly, but is it not true that millions of species of birds, animal,s plants, insects, etc have become extinct? Is it not possible that it is these souls have taken on the human body? Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.vivekananda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Haribol! This topic reminds me of a tibetan demon who, for penance, was forced to reincarnate in the form of a scorpion 500 lifetimes, then was purged to rise to higher planets. Pranams-Stephen --- Sheetal <sheetal wrote: > Hi Hari Priya Rao / Ashok, .... > Based on what Karma do the other species, get the > human form? > Do the other species have the scope to grow-up > spiritually like the humans? > > Regards, > Sheetal R M ===== What man makes let man prescribe. What God makes let God prescribe. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 There is a stanza, in fact several stanzas in Chapter 2 of Bhagvadgita which refer to the fact that the soul takes one body after another and the soul is indestructible. --- > > Ramakrishna/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Hello Sheetal/Ashok, Other than man, all animals merely do their " duties " without any attachment or expectation, hence they proceed to better lives and finally the human birth. They do not acquire any new karma, but are merely exhausting all that they have accumulated. So they ultimately reach the human life, from where they try to get liberated.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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