From Haider Ali Agha

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" Haider Ali Agha " <haider37

<Ramakrishna >

Wednesday, June 09, 2004 03:24

Re: [sri Ramakrishna] SRK and other religions

 

 

I am lecturer in history in the city of Lahore,

Pakistan. I am very fond of Hindu philosophy, though I

come from Shia Muslim family. I mostly enjoy reading

mails and up till now I have been quietly reading

interesting mail from others. In The Quran, there are

verses which using the word yatafakroon and yatbaroon

emphaise the process of contemplation as an essential

duty of Muslims. Quran mentions the necessity of

contemaplation and meditation in good many places. If

you give deep thought to Quran, you will know it.

Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upn him)

used to go the Cave Hira for meditation and

contemplation before Quran was revealed to him by Arch

Angel Gibrail. In fact, it was during his deep process

of supreme enlightening kind of meditation and

contemplation in cave Hira near Mecca when the first

verses of Quran were revealed. It is in History books

of Islam, the first expereince of receiving divine

revealtion was so suddenly enlgihtening, that it

scared even the Seal of Prophets.

As for the ways of realization, yes there are are

paths or ways in Islamic sufism to attain God. Ibn

Arbi and Mansure al Haj were the sufis who advocated

esorteric ways to attain God who, they quoted from

Holy Quran " is nearer to you than jugular vein.

I hope that it will be sufficeint for some of my

freinds who mistakenly think that Islam has no concept

of meditation or contemplation. There is an organized

system of philosophy in Muslim philosophy which is

called Wahadat ul Wajud which says the etire existence

including God is One, the nature is manifestation of

One Reality. You may read Gahlib as fine example of

sufi philosphy.

There are Punjabi sufi poets like Shah Husssain,

Bulleh Shah, Waris Shah,and Sufi saints like Lal

Shahbaz Qalandar who adovocated wahadutal wajud or

what you can all a sort of Islmaic pantheism.

For my part i am very fond of Vivekananda and Sri

Ramakrishana.

Would you please tell me links from where i can

downaload e-book entitled ' gospel of Sri

Ramakrishna'. For my part, I believe in many doctrines of Hindu

philosphy. Yes I agree with you when you say Islam was

spread using sword.

after death of Prophet, some personalities employed

coerecive measures like sword to spread Islam and

according to Shi,ites school of thought, to which I

come from, these presons usurped the rights of Prophet

ahulbait, or Prophet Muhammad's family, such as

Ali , Hussain who were paragaons

of virtues, simplicity, courage, bravery , generosity

and all ideal human virtues. Many Hindus regard them

as avtars of Hindu deity, Vishnu.

It will be interesting to note that in Lucknow Hindu

Holy men or sadhus and priests also participated

in protest against the sacrilege of Holy places like

Karbala or Najaf by US led coaltion forces.

All sufis and great Muslim saints derive

inspiration from supreme acts of courage, bravery and

sacrfice in both mundane and spiritual spheres and

regard Ali, and Hussain as the spiritual and moral

ideas for all human beings

 

Let me tell you one more thing, when Islam entered

Indian subcontinent, some Hindu instead of converting

to version of Islam brought by the conquerers

synthsied Hinduism with Shia Islam. This sect was

called Karamti which orehodox sunnis abhored as

heretics. These karmatis sysnthesized HIndu epic with

Shia doctine of Imamate.

They beleieved that Ali, the cousin of Prophet of

Muhmmad, was incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Kamatis were

peresecuted by Mahmood of Ghanza the so-called

conquererof Somnath, and now no karamatis exist,

thanks to the persecution and execution of Karamtis at

the hands of fanatic and extremists sunnis like the

same Mahmood of Ghazna who served Islam by putting

them to his sword.

I have expressed my views which i tried long not

express here, as I mysels enjoy reading thought

provoking mails and consider myself humble compared

with other learned membere of this group.

God bless you all

with best wishes and high regards

H. Ali Syed

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Ramakrishna , " Vivekananda Centre "

<vivekananda@b...> wrote:

> " Haider Ali Agha " <haider37>

> <Ramakrishna >

> Wednesday, June 09, 2004 03:24

> Re: [sri Ramakrishna] SRK and other religions

>

>

.....

> Would you please tell me links from where i can

> downaload e-book entitled ' gospel of Sri

> Ramakrishna'.....

 

You can find the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda and links to

the Gospel at www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info

 

Partha

[Guest guest]

I thank you for that lovely message. I think it's important not to

codemn other religions without intensely and earnestly studying the

tenets, philosophy and scriptures of that religion. To merely

condemn Islam, would be as riduculous as charging Hinduism as mere

idolatory, ignoring the lofty heights of the contemplative and

experiential philosophy of the Upanishads and the vedanata

commentaries etc.

Indeed, we need more people to do this; not to be afraid of

admitting the weaknesses of one's religion n accept the goodpoints

of others...that's when dialogue begins and when we can begin to see

the good aspects within other traditions. If Mr Haider was not in

this group, we would have gone off at a tangent of Islam bashing and

condemning it as a simplistic religion of the sword, where as in

truth much of as have not even made a sincere attempt to deeply

understand the serious depths of its philosophy.

 

God bless!

 

Cheers,

Sudheesh

 

 

 

>

>

> I am lecturer in history in the city of Lahore,

> Pakistan. I am very fond of Hindu philosophy, though I

> come from Shia Muslim family. I mostly enjoy reading

> mails and up till now I have been quietly reading

> interesting mail from others. In The Quran, there are

> verses which using the word yatafakroon and yatbaroon

> emphaise the process of contemplation as an essential

> duty of Muslims. Quran mentions the necessity of

> contemaplation and meditation in good many places. If

> you give deep thought to Quran, you will know it.

> Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upn him)

> used to go the Cave Hira for meditation and

> contemplation before Quran was revealed to him by Arch

> Angel Gibrail......

[Guest guest]

Ramakrishna , " Vivekananda Centre "

<vivekananda@b...> wrote:

> " Haider Ali Agha " <haider37>

> <Ramakrishna >

> Wednesday, June 09, 2004 03:24

> Re: [sri Ramakrishna] SRK and other religions

>

>

> Dear Sir,

 

Thank you for this your interesting post. My view is that we must

seek out the similarities and points of contact and agreement

between the various world religions if we are to find a harmonious

way forward for all mankind( an approach I feel was exemplified by

Sri Ramakrishna and Swamiji). I would also like to add that Islamic

fundamentalism is hardly really any worse than Christian or Hindu

fundamentalism. It is 'fundamentalism ' itself which is a problem.

 

Shanti,

 

Kalidas.

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha

I have already downloaded Sri Vivekananda's works and

studying them with profound interest. NOw I need the

Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna. I shall be grateful If you

let me know the link where I can download it from.

God bless you

with best wishes and high regards

H Ali Syed

 

 

 

 

 

 

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http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/gospelnote.htm points to

http://www.hinduism.fsnet.co.uk/namoma/kathamritam/ and

http://www.kathamrita.org/kathamrita.htm

 

as locations where the Gospel is available.

 

Haider Ali Agha <haider37 wrote:

 

Dear Partha

I have already downloaded Sri Vivekananda's works and

studying them with profound interest. NOw I need the

Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna. I shall be grateful If you

let me know the link where I can download it from.

God bless you

with best wishes and high regards

H Ali Syed

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah

Vivekananda Centre London

http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

 

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Dear H Ali Syed,

 

Here is a link to a page by which you should be able

to download the Kathamrita (Gospel of Sri

Ramakrishna): http://www.kathamrita.org/links.htm

 

By the way, thank you for your very interesting and

enlightening information in regard to Islam. I live

in the U.S. and I have great respect for Islam. When

I was younger I participated in a Sufi group in the

city where I was born and raised. Having moved from

there I have never been able to find such a group

again; but nowadays it isn't necessary anyway.

 

But in general I believe that it is good to for all

persons to develop a factual understanding of others'

religions. Thank you for helping in that way.

 

Warmest regards and best wishes,

 

michael

--- Haider Ali Agha <haider37 wrote:

>

> Dear Partha

> I have already downloaded Sri Vivekananda's works

> and

> studying them with profound interest. NOw I need the

>

> Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna. I shall be grateful If

> you

> let me know the link where I can download it from.

> God bless you

> with best wishes and high regards

> H Ali Syed

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.

> http://messenger./

>

>

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Dear Bhai Girish

It is so nice of you to post the the links where

Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna can be accessed but i think

these links give leave Gospel incomplete and the sites

are underconstruction. thanks a lot

God bless all of us

with high regards

H Ali Syed

 

 

 

 

 

 

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