Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 That was an excellent observation Hafizullah Saheb. Yes indeed if it is really God that has become everyone then who owes whom? Once a suffering devotee complained that God was unjust and cruel. Sri Ramakrishna asked why. " Because there is so much suffering in this world " . Sri Ramakrishna wryly observed, " If God has become all then who suffers? It is Godhead himself who suffers. " . Love & Regards, Jagannath. Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 God experiences both suffering and joy through our experience --- AS us, in (as it were) Divine Limitation. The Sufis hold that matter is dense Spirit, and Spirit is etherealized matter, as it is all God's Substance. Thus, humanity is God in Divine Limitation, and God is human perfection. This perfection includes physicality and it includes the suffering attendant to life in physicality, as well as the exaltation and freedom of the higher spheres when a person becomes awake to his/her existence on those planes. Indeed, it is the suffering in limitation that gives so much meaning to the release of suffering when one's consciousness soars, for without it we would not be complete. Hafizullah @)->--- Jagannath Chatterjee [jagchat01] Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:12 am Ramakrishna Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Karmic Debts. That was an excellent observation Hafizullah Saheb. Yes indeed if it is really God that has become everyone then who owes whom? Once a suffering devotee complained that God was unjust and cruel. Sri Ramakrishna asked why. " Because there is so much suffering in this world " . Sri Ramakrishna wryly observed, " If God has become all then who suffers? It is Godhead himself who suffers. " . Love & Regards, Jagannath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Hello Hafizullah, What you stated as coming from Sufism seems in line with what Advaita philosophy speaks about. According to Advaita philosophy, you must go beyond the body, mind, intellect and memory to realize God( ethereal). So God realization is not possible unless we go beyond our senses and even beyond. Are yu a Sufist? For the benefit of the group, can you summarize the Sufi teachings and list a couple of books that explain the Sufi philosophy? By the way, does Quran speak of God as a formless spirit? > > > > Jagannath Chatterjee > [jagchat01] > Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:12 am > Ramakrishna > Re: [sri Ramakrishna] Karmic Debts. > > > That was an excellent observation Hafizullah Saheb. > Yes indeed if it is > really > God that has become everyone then who owes whom? > Once a suffering devotee > complained > that God was unjust and cruel. Sri Ramakrishna asked > why. " Because there is > so much suffering in this world " . Sri Ramakrishna > wryly observed, " If God > has become all then who suffers? It is Godhead > himself who suffers. " . > > Love & Regards, > > Jagannath. > > > > > ===== Incredibly low long distance phone rate: 4.5 cents pm! go to:http://www.ldpcphonemodem.cjb.net Need extra cash? Click on:www.theexplodingbusiness.cjb.net New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Ramakrishna , KRISHNA VENKATARAMAN <kvenkataraman> wrote: > Hello Hafizullah, > What you stated as coming from Sufism seems in line > with what Advaita philosophy speaks about. According > to Advaita philosophy, you must go beyond the body, > mind, intellect and memory to realize God( ethereal). > So God realization is not possible unless we go beyond > our senses and even beyond. Are yu a Sufist? For the > benefit of the group, can you summarize the Sufi > teachings and list a couple of books that explain the > Sufi philosophy? > By the way, does Quran speak of God as a formless > spirit? The Quran does not recognize a God with name/form. Yet, the name Allah is assigned to give humans a sense of the Infinite. In my view, the Allah of the Quran is the same as the 'Nirguna Brahman' in the Upanishads. My 2 cents on Sufism: It is the pathless path.... there is no defined path for every Sufist yet he has to walk it.... it is the mystical side of Islam.... the qawalis (devotional songs) of Sufism is pretyy famous... Traditional Islam frowns upon music, but Sufism, in its intense love of God, sings to His Glory. Also, in my view, Sufism can be intelligently compared only with the Tantras - the mystical side of Hinduism - because the intensity of worship and the commitment of the worshippers in the two are of a comparable level. Comparing it with traditional, everyday Sanatana Dharma (sapthaham, bhashyas, temple worship, pujas, and I would even say Yoga practice), is like comparing apples and oranges..... I would exclude 'Manasa Puja' from this though. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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