When does a Soul gets Liberated??????

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Hi Friends,

 

The question of liberation seems to be with multiple answers. According to

Shri RamaKrishna, one attains what he thinks at the moment of death. So,

even if a person who hasn't attained the knowledge of Brahman gets

liberated if he thinks about his Ishtadevta at the time of his death. But

according to other philosophers, a person gets liberated only if he

experiences Samadhi and until then he revolves in the wheel of life and

death. Could anyone please explain in this regard.

 

Could someone also please tell me how a bhakta, jnani, and karma yogi gets

liberated.

 

regards

Srinivas

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Srinivas,

 

Everyone gets liberated the same way, by God's Grace.

 

The person of emotional temperament, who loves form, gets the mind absorbed

through concentration on one form, the Ishta she loves. Eventually there is

only the Ishta, then only love.

 

The jnani being of masculine temperament, and loving thought and active

intellect, gets the mind absorbed through discriminating constantly what is

unreal. Eventually there is only one thought, then none.

 

The karma yogi being of physically active temperament, gains concentration

through constantly making every action dedicated to selfless service.

Slowly the mind stills and every action becomes filled with love, then

action stops.

 

Each works equally well if practiced with wholehearted dedication.

 

The most direct path is through stillness, but it is very difficult and some

combination of all with emphasis on what the individual is best suited for

is usually the way.

 

In the end though it was all Grace, even the desire for it. Where else did

it come from? Left to the nature of lower mind/ego, we would sniff the

garden for eternity.

 

Why wait until the moment of death? Who knows when it will come and what

will be our state?

 

Love, Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear srinivas

 

I do not have any doubt in Sri Ramakrishna’s sayings.

I don’t think worldly minded people could think of God

with pure devotion at the moment of death. Sri

Ramakrishna said: “Man becomes pure by repeating the

name of God. Therefore one should practice the

chanting of God’s name. I said to Jadu Mallick mother:

In the hour of death you will think only of worldly

things – of family, children, executing the will, and

so fourth. The thought of God will NOT come to your

mind. The way to remember God in the hour of death is

to practise, now the repetition of His name and the

chanting of His glories. If one keeps up this

practice, then in the hour of death one will repeat

the name of God. When the cat pounces upon the bird,

the bird only squawks and does not say, ‘Rama, Rama,

Hare-Krishna’. It is good to prepare for death. One

should constantly think of God and chant His name in

solitude during last years of one’s life. If the

elephant is put into stable after its bath it is not

soiled again by dirt and dust.

 

Sri Ramakrishna’s saying: Knowledge of Non-duality is

the highest; but God should be worshipped first as a

master is worshipped by his servant, as the adored by

the adorer. This is the easiest path; it soon leads to

the highest knowledge of unity.”

 

Bhagavad Gita : From Chapter II: Sankhya Yoga

(Krishna speaking to Arjuna)

II.70. He attains peace into whom all desires enter as

waters enter the ocean which, filled from all sides,

remains unmoved; but not for the man who is full of

desires.

COMMENTARY: Just as the ocean filled with waters from

all sides remains unmoved, so also the sage (jnani)who

is resting in his own Swarupa or the Self is not a bit

affected though desires of all sorts enter from all

sides. The sage attains peace or liberation but not he

who longs for objects of sensual enjoyment and

entertains various desires.

II.71. That man attains peace who, abandoning all

desires, moves about without longing, without the

sense of mine and without egoism.

COMMENTARY: That man who lives destitute of longing,

abandoning all desires, without the senses of 'I' and

'mine', who is satisfied with the bare necessities of

life, who does not care even for those bare

necessities of life, who has no attachement

even for the bare necessities of life, attains

'Moksha'(libration) or eternal peace.

 

 

Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah

Vivekananda Centre London

http://www.vivekananda.co.uk

 

 

 

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Dear Srinivas,

 

I don't have any doubt in Sri Ramakrishna’s sayings. I

don’t think worldly minded people could think of God

with pure devotion at the moment of death. Sri

Ramakrishna said: “Man becomes pure by repeating the

name of God. Therefore one should practice the

chanting of God’s name. I said to Jadu Mallick mother:

In the hour of death you will think only of worldly

things – of family, children, executing the will, and

so fourth. The thought of God will NOT come to your

mind. The way to remember God in the hour of death is

to practise, now the repetition of His name and the

chanting of His glories. If one keeps up this

practice, then in the hour of death one will repeat

the name of God. When the cat pounces upon the bird,

the bird only squawks and does not say, ‘Rama, Rama,

Hare-Krishna’. It is good to prepare for death. One

should constantly think of God and chant His name in

solitude during last years of one’s life. If the

elephant is put into stable after its bath it is not

soiled again by dirt and dust.

 

Sri Ramakrishna’s saying: Knowledge of Non-duality is

the highest; but God should be worshipped first as a

master is worshipped by his servant, as the adored by

the adorer. This is the easiest path; it soon leads to

the highest knowledge of unity.”

 

Bhagavad Gita : From Chapter II: Sankhya Yoga

(Krishna speaking to Arjuna)

II.70. He attains peace into whom all desires enter as

waters enter the ocean which, filled from all sides,

remains unmoved; but not for the man who is full of

desires.

COMMENTARY: Just as the ocean filled with waters from

all sides remains unmoved, so also the sage (Jnani)

who is resting in his own Swarupa or the Self is not a

bit affected though desires of all sorts enter from

all sides. The sage attains peace or liberation but

not he who longs for objects of sensual enjoyment and

entertains various desires.

II.71. That man attains peace who, abandoning all

desires, moves about without longing, without the

sense of mine and without egoism.

COMMENTARY: That man who lives destitute of longing,

abandoning all desires, without the senses of 'I' and

'mine', who is satisfied with the bare necessities of

life, who does not care even for those bare

necessities of life, who has no attachement even for

the bare necessities of life attains

'Moksha'(libration) or eternal peace.

 

 

Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah

Vivekananda Centre London

http://www.vivekananda.co.uk