Ramakrishna and vivekananda lokas?

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Dear friends,

I am a bit lost! What's all this about ramakrishna and vivekananda lokas and

all? Is this what swamiji taught at all? I think we are losing the point of

making true spiritual progress if we start living in our fantasies about

these kind of things? In that case, would there be a Caitanya loka, sai baba

loka, and rama loka, parasurama lika etc...I do know that devotees of the

Gaudya Vaisnava Sampradaya believe in krishnas transcendental world...but

how far can we go, in creating lokas for each person whom we look upon as an

incarnation?

 

Hope I did not offend anyone on the list. If it seemed so, it was truly not

my intention. I just wanted to question as swamiji often encouraged people

to do, unfounded ideas or beliefs.

 

Regards,

Sudheesh

 

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Dearest Sudheesh,

 

i'm not offended at all. so true, we must question unfounded beliefs.

Glad that u r abiding by Swamiji's teachings!

 

my intention was not at all to take anyone's mind away from God but

if it happened in ur case (or anyone else's), then please accept my

apologies. Philosophy can become very dry n hence was trying to

lighten up things!

 

Brother, i believe it was all done in healthy banter (humour is the

most evident charateristic of spiritual sadhakas!). Why, even Swamiji

was such a great humorist n what to speak of Thakur!!

 

one more thing- every budding pilot fantasizes abt zooming in the

air, so can't a sadhaka fantasize abt his/her Gods? He is so

benevolent as to grant the silliest of requests of His devotees. Just

think if He were to grant my fantasies!! Sure, one must strive hard to

realize one's dreams.

 

the point of different Lokas was indeed funny...... Thakur showed us

that all religions r one... so all the Lokas wud be one n the same,

the most common term for it being " heaven! " . He assumes a form for

the sake of His devotees, so whatever form u chersih, He will appear

before u in that form!

 

hope u do not mind this Sudeesh. yes, let us all plunge headlong into

spiritual practices n stop daydreaming.

 

May the Holy Trinity bless us all!

 

love,

Shyam.

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According to Sri Ramakrishna He has just moved from one room to the other.

 

Swamiji writes in raja Yoga,

 

" If it be true that the departed spirits exist, only we cannot see them, it

is quite probable that there may be hundreds and millions of them about us

we can neither see, feel, nor touch. We may be continually passing and

repassing through their bodies, and they do not see or feel us. It is a

circle within a circle, universe within universe. We have five senses, and

we represent Prana in a certain state of vibration. All beings in the same

state of vibration will see one another, but if there are beings who

represent Prana in a higher state of vibration, they will not be seen. We

may increase the intensity of a light until we cannot see it at all, but

there may be beings with eyes so powerful that they can see such light.

Again, if its vibrations are very low, we do not see a light, but there are

animals that may see it, as cats and owls. Our range of vision is only one

plane of the vibrations of this Prana. "

 

If everything about Swamiji & Sri Ramakrishna was just philosohy and service

the legacy would have long lost. It is being kept alive by the occassional

glimpses of the divine play which is currently being staged in Ramkrishna

Loka. :-)

 

" There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,Than are dreamt of in

your philosophy "

 

Warm Regards,

 

Sujith

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Devotion

is the most evident characteristic of sadhakas.

 

Love, Bob

 

 

(humour is the most evident charateristic of spiritual sadhakas!).

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Sivaya

 

Sri Ramakrish’s Saying : ‘There are different planes

of consciousness: the gross, the subtle subtle, the

causal, and the Great Cause. Entering the Mahakarana,

the Great Cause, one becomes silent; one cannot utter

a word.'

 

Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami explains the nature of

these planes as follows:

The physical(gross)plane, or Bhuloka, is the world of

gross or material substance in which phenomena are

perceived by the five senses. It is the most limited

of worlds, the least permanent and the most subject to

change. The material world is where we have our

experiences, manufacture karma and fulfill the desires

and duties of life in a physical body. It is in the

Bhuloka that consciousness is limited, that awareness

of the other two worlds is not always remembered. It

is the external plane, made of gross matter, which is

really just energy.

 

The subtle plane, or Antarloka, is the

mental-emotional sphere that we function in through

thought and feeling and reside in fully during sleep

and after death. It is the astral world that exists

within the physical plane. The astral plane is for the

most part exactly duplicated in the physical plane,

though it is of a more intense rate of vibration. We

function constantly, though perhaps not consciously,

in this subtle plane by our every thought and emotion.

Here, during sleep and after death, we meet others who

are sleeping or who have died.The Antarloka spans the

spectrum of consciousness from the hellish Naraka

regions beginning at the patala chakra within the

feet, to the heavenly realm of divine love in the

vishuddha chakra within the throat. The Vedas recount,

" Now, there are, of a truth, three worlds: the world

of men, the world of the fathers, and the world of the

Gods. The world of the Gods is verily the best of

worlds. "

 

The causal plane or Sivaloka, deep within the subtle

plane. It is the superconscious world where the Gods

and highly evolved souls live and can be accessed

through yoga and temple worship. The causal plane is

the world of light and blessedness, the highest of

heavenly regions, extolled in the scriptures of all

faiths. It is the foundation of existence, the source

of visions, the point of conception, the apex of

creation. The causal plane is the abode of Lord Siva

and His entourage of Mahadevas and other highly

evolved souls who exist in their own self-effulgent

form--radiant bodies of centillions of quantum light

particles. Even for embodied souls, this refined realm

is not distant, but EXITS WITHIN man. It is

ever-present, ever-available as the clear white light

that illumines the mind, accessed within the throat

and cranial chakras--vishuddha, ajna and sahasrara--in

the sublime practices of yoga and temple worship. It

is in the causal plane that the mature soul,

unshrouded of the physical body's strong instinctive

pulls and astral body's harsh intellectual

stranglehold, resides fully conscious in its

self-effulgent form. The Sivaloka is the natural

refuge of all souls. The Vedas intone, " Where men move

at will, in the threefold sphere, in the third heaven

of heavens, where are realms full of light, in that

radiant world make me immortal. "

 

Sri Ramakrish’s Saying : ‘This body which is made of

the five elements is called the gross body. The subtle

body consists of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara.

The body by which one realise the bliss of God-vision

and continues to enjoy His union, is the causal body.

Beyond all is the mahakarana- the first Cause.’

 

‘When the mind is attached to the consciousness of the

external world, it sees gross objects and abides in

the Annamaya-kosa, the physical sheath of the soul,

which depends on food. When the mind turns itself

inward; it is like shutting the door of a house and

entering its inner apartments; that is to say, it goes

from the gross into the subtle, thence into causal,

till it reaches the final causal state. In that state

the mind is merged in the Absolute and nothing can be

said of it.’

 

 

Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah

Vivekananda Centre London

http://www.vivekananda.co.uk